Finding Other Catholic Virgins?

[BG45]

I would never marry a virgin. <--- See, you have to play hard to get. Virgins love that. 

 

Somewhat thread relevant story based on this.  Apparently some of my more..."active"...friends make it a rule "not to sleep with a virgin, because they get clingy and think virginity means something".  I was horrified when I heard that, because I do feel it means something.  However my best friend made his girlfriend at the time, assure him she wasn't a virgin, before they had sex.  She lied and told him she wasn't.  They're married now.

[Basilisa Marie]

If he waits one more year, he can have a Catholic marriage!

 

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P3Y.HTM

 

Jk... but really, wth? Is this still allowed?

 

Men have to be 16, women have to be 14, but they also have to follow local civil laws, so if local civil laws say 18, they can't marry before then.  If the local bishops establish a higher age, that works too.  

 

But it's a moot point anyway, because he'd be essentially kidnapping a girl with the intention of marriage, which invalidates the marriage.  Unless he can brainwash her enough so that when she's saved and moved to a safe location she "freely" chooses to marry him, THEN it's valid. (1089) Yes, the Church could do with some tweaking of it's laws.  It's essentially the plot of Beauty and the Beast.  

[HisChildForever]

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks of this thread while not looking at it.

 

Thanks Apo, I almost spit my coffee all over the screen.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

Men have to be 16, women have to be 14, but they also have to follow local civil laws, so if local civil laws say 18, they can't marry before then.  If the local bishops establish a higher age, that works too.  

 

But it's a moot point anyway, because he'd be essentially kidnapping a girl with the intention of marriage, which invalidates the marriage.  Unless he can brainwash her enough so that when she's saved and moved to a safe location she "freely" chooses to marry him, THEN it's valid. (1089) Yes, the Church could do with some tweaking of it's laws.  It's essentially the plot of Beauty and the Beast.  

 

Haha, religious law is so weird. Btw, I can't find a place where this would apply besides Bolivia... and that humors me for some reason. 

[CatholicsAreKewl]

Somewhat thread relevant story based on this.  Apparently some of my more..."active"...friends make it a rule "not to sleep with a virgin, because they get clingy and think virginity means something".  I was horrified when I heard that, because I do feel it means something.  However my best friend made his girlfriend at the time, assure him she wasn't a virgin, before they had sex.  She lied and told him she wasn't.  They're married now.

 

I wasn't lying. My inbox filled shortly after posting my message.

Edited July 24, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl

[polskieserce]

I am not sure what made you say any of this. This is so far from what I said, it is almost comical.

I suggested you missed the one opportunity you had at sleeping with a virgin. I was being facetious. I do not know why I expected you to understand the joke.

For the record, your nonsense disgusts me. From racism to comparing the mentally ill to rabid dogs: seriously? You have proven yourself not only intolerant (in all the bad ways), but also ignorant.

And no, the irony is not lost on me, though it may be on you:

Any virgin that wants to lose her virginity to you is probably mentally ill.

 

In your last post, you said you thought the ship had sailed.  That's implying that I had sex which I did not.  How are my statements on other issues ignorant?  I dealt with a mentally ill mother firsthand for a while and I want NO part in that in my future.  Regarding race, still no response to the fact that this is what most white people do.  They just don't talk about it openly like I do.

 

Human beings aren't casino slot machines. We all offer something different to the world because no two people are alike. Mental illness is extremely common (affecting around a quarter of the population at some point in their lives) and with your attitude, you have closed yourself off to a quarter of this planet, assuming that just because they're poorly they must be somehow dangerous and bad and risky. Not so. Many people with MH problems may have become unusually compassionate, warm-hearted, and insightful people, due in large part to the struggles they have faced, while plenty of people whom you call 'normal' could be the most callous individuals going. You pride yourself on your normality (your attitudes actually aren't normal, by the way) but you have written things that are cruel as well as just untrue. I have a friend who has suffered from severe mental illness who is so kind and thoughtful to everyone. She's happily married. Her husband is lucky to have her. You'd be blessed if you found someone like her, but your stringent demands and insistence on treating marriage as like a business (with your sexual fetishes at the heart) mean that you will never experience the love that they have, not so long as you cling to these ideas.

 

Not long after they got married, my friend developed a severe physical health condition that has now left her bedbound. Often she is too ill even to go to the bathroom. Her husband has to change her diapers. Neither she nor him were prepared for that at the time of her marriage, but they are happy because they love one another. As others have pointed out, there is a reason why the wedding vows are 'in sickness and in health' and 'for better and for worse'. Either you or your perfect white tall virgin spouse might develop mental health problems at some point in your lives. Your perfect white tall virgin fiancee might be raped prior to your wedding. We don't get to predict what will happen in life or what we get out of it, the key is to love God and one another no matter what happens to us in it, and this seems to be an area where you're failing. From what you've written about your own history, you have a lot to learn about forgiveness and healing before you're ready to marry anybody, no matter how closely she matches your 'requirements' or not - and as many, many women have pointed out to you on this thread, your attitudes are likely to send any woman running for the hills. Not because they're all slutty and you and Norseman are the last bastion of decent Catholic morality out there, because you come across as hyper-controlling, disturbingly fixated on being the 'first one in' (oh, I remember a few guys on my campus who had this fetish and used to deliberately hit on religious girls in the hope of fulfilling it - you're no less creepy), and just plain unloving.

 

I realize that a lot of people have mental illnesses.  If it's mild enough that it doesn't need treatment, then I wouldn't worry about it.  But as soon as anti-depressants are in the picture, I'm out of the picture.  I already told my father this and he agrees with me 100%.

 

Someones state of life should not be a joke. ie: that he missed his opportunity to have sex with a virgin. And you saying the only women he deserves is probably mentally 'ill wrong' young. I haven't been able to keep up with this thread so forgive me if i'm wrong, but did polski ever mention anything about sex. Polski did you mention anything about sex, or was this originally about sex, or just the desire for the right female companion to journey on this road of life with?

 

The conversation bounced around from topic to topic.  I don't remember every single post 100%, but it went something like this:

 

Where can I find a catholic virgin?

Why won't you consider one of the numerous non-virgin catholic girls who committed adultery?

You're mean and crazy for not giving non-virgins a chance.

I listed my requirements in more detail

You're mean, bigoted and ignorant

You need mental help

 

 

Most here would agree he has a right to his preferences -- no matter the level of ignorance -- and would probably not think twice about how ridiculous he is IF NOT FOR his attitude. His attitude is the worst part. But then, you probably don't understand how any of this relates to anything since you didn't read the thread. (Still cannot understand why people choose to post on message boards without reading the MESSAGES.)

 

Again, show me how I'm so ignorant.  I know exactly what I want it and I have a game plan.

 

There are some facts that you should keep in mind.

I will start form the "mental illness" subject.

You may have your reasons for having your position, but let me say you are very young and even if you may find the woman who fulfills all your requirements soon (I highly doubt this will happen but I am speaking hypotetically), there is nothing that can assure you that mentall illness won't ever be a reality in your future life. As many have said and you too have admitted, mental illness is a very common thing. Not only. Everyone among us can have moments in his/her life in which, willing or not, have to face this problem. The fact that nowadays you are (or think to be) free from a mental problem, doesn't mean that you will always be free from it in the whole course of your life. The same is for your spouse. You must seriously consider this, because, a time that the marriage is celebrated, if your spouse will develop a mental illness in the future, the marriage is still valid and you, willing or not, have to face the problem. Please answer: how do you think you would handle the situation, if this possibility became a reality?

 

Then there is a thing that is the logical consequence of what I said above.

In your posts where you strongly defend your positions and your demands and your requests (you started the thread only mentioning the "virgin" aspect, then you added the White one, then the mentally illness, then the fact that your wife should economically contribute to the marriage and so on and on  -I think the only aspect which I agree you shouldn't admitt exceptions is the abortion aspect), you seem to give the idea that married life (and life in general) is like a mathematical equation: once I know the premises, I am absolutely certain of the consequences. But are you really sure that things work this way in real life?

Not to say that one of your previous statements "What would be the point of marrying a non-virgin if I still have a very intense and burning desire to sleep with a virgin?  The marriage would only fall apart anyway, because my desire is just that strong.  When guys have fantasies that their partners can't fullfill, bad things happen." is  worrying at the least. What sort of bad things are you referring to? What sort of bad things could happen in your life if your partner couldn't fulfill your fantasies?

 

Also: can you explain why this desire to sleep with a virgin is so burning and intense for you? What feelings arise in you this desire? For me, it has more to do with an erotical thing rather than a romantic one. I really cannot see the value of virginity as represented in the christian view in the way you talk about it. In your posts, I only can see the idea of a physical excitement and the idea of possession of the other -nothing that speaks of love or self donation.

 

Then the fact that ALL the phatmassers that have replied in these 38 pages of this thread, except from Norseman, have pointed out many critical signals in your posts, really do not mean anything to you?

Many of them are also happily married (Norseman is not), many are white catholic virgin girls that could meet you in real life, and nonetheless you think there isn't absolutely anything you can learn from them, from their experience, from their advices? Do you realize how foolish and absurd is your behaviour?

 

There are other things I'd like to point out (such as also for example the strange fact that, even if you mention a hell that had to do with your mother depression, you seem to be so worryied about your parents' reactions towards your partner in life) but I think that for now this can be enough.

 

If my spouse developed a mental problem, I would do my best to deal with it and try to remove any external things that might be feeding it more, combined with reminding her that I love her.  That is different from marrying a person who already has some serious pre-existing illness, and it gets worse down the road.  The bad things I'm referring to are cheating.  Marriage is forever.  If a guy is going to get married, he should not be settling for less than he truly desires.  If he does settle, then there is the risk that he won't have the drive to keep going when it gets rough because the relationship wasn't 100% what he wanted it to be, therefore it's emotionally easier for him to not honor it.  The desire for virginity in a partner is a combination of several very powerful feelings for me.  Part of it is the fact that it's a question of honor.  If a girl slept with 10 guys before me, then me, then what's so special about the time we slept together?  It's just a standard genital massage that everyone gets, so what makes it even remotely special?  It really doesn't mean anything to me if a girl says she's changed because it doesn't change the fact that she was with 10 guys before.  Another thing is, as you pointed out, the erotic factor.  Everyone has that special feature or two that really turns them on and makes them go WILD if their current partner has it.  Virginity is the thing that does it for me.  Also, I'm more of a skeptic of marriage.  I would not be willing to marry a non-virgin girl, plain and simple.  My heart will harden if a non-virgin girl I was hypothetically with started bringing up marriage.  It's going to take a special girl to soften my heart and make me open to marriage, not your everyday girl.  I will easily push 10 non-virgin girls to the wayside.  I have taken the points of others into consideration.  Just remember that this isn't in person.  It's an online forum.  You have not seen me interact in real life.  I don't care about what my mother would think if I was with a black girl.  It would be my father, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc who I would be concerned about.  But it's not like any of it matters because my physical attraction for other races is 0.

 

Again I will ask this question. Please don't avoid it. What would you do if your own child had a mental illness? Having children is a complete crapshoot. You have NO say whatsoever in their mental health.

 

The same thing I would do if they didn't have a mental illness, raise them to the best of my ability and hope for the best.

 

I've gone from disgust, to amusement, to genuinely feeling bad for this guy. (At first I felt bad for the girl that might end up with him, but the only girls taht would consider dating him won't meet his ridiculous requirements. She'd have to be a little jacked up mentally or a really traditional catholic who I'm sure would not like his rants against stay-at-home mothers).

 

Seriously, I've not met a professing Christian who is so painfully ignorant of sacrificial love and so utilitarian.

 

Polksie, I'm not sure why you continue to be here if you refuse to listen to the dozens of people who are telling you that you need an attitude adjustment. That's fine. Make use of those other avenues to find women. I am confident you will fail and the only reason I'm happy about that is because I'd be worried about a woman who would end up with you. You give such priority to your own self-interests and to think this will magically disappear once you get married to the woman who passes all your tests, is batshit insane.

 

Here's what's likely to happen: women are gonna run the hell away from you when you share these things with them. There is no woman without significant mental health problems who will give you the time of day. This will likely make you bitter and frustrated, but you'll have options: seek help, change, learn how to love better (a lesson we could all use really), or you will be stubborn and be alone for the rest of your natural life. I'm just talking real here.

 

And my apologies if my posts have been rude. I have a bad habit of being a snarky expletive on the internet sometimes, and I was convinced you were an atheist trolling about the insanity of the church's sexual ethos. But I really hope that years down the road you will take some of these folks' advice so you will learn to love better and find happiness with someone.

 

Payce

 

What's wrong with being utilitarian?  It seems like a good idea to me.  You need to realize that this is an online thread and not P2P in real life.  I showed this thread to a few of my friends.  The main thing they pointed out is that the reason the thread is so long is that people don't know how I actually am in real life.  Lol I'm not naive enough to go up to any random girl and just start demanding stuff.  Nobody normal does that.  I start off the dating process like anyone else.

 

But in all seriousness the OP is not unique in his utilitarian leanings among those who take Catholicism or christianity seriously, I've just not seen it taken to this weird extreme.

 

Again, what's wrong with being utilitarian?  I don't see anything abnormal about it.  A lot of regular, everyday people have utilitarian attitudes when it comes to looking for relationships.

[Selah]

Heck, I feel sorry for anyone who thinks of this thread even while looking at it.

 

xD

[polskieserce]

I am not sure what made you say any of this. This is so far from what I said, it is almost comical.

I suggested you missed the one opportunity you had at sleeping with a virgin. I was being facetious. I do not know why I expected you to understand the joke.

For the record, your nonsense disgusts me. From racism to comparing the mentally ill to rabid dogs: seriously? You have proven yourself not only intolerant (in all the bad ways), but also ignorant.

And no, the irony is not lost on me, though it may be on you:

Any virgin that wants to lose her virginity to you is probably mentally ill.

 

In your last post, you said you thought the ship had sailed.  That's implying that I had sex which I did not.  How are my statements on other issues ignorant?  I dealt with a mentally ill mother firsthand for a while and I want NO part in that in my future.  Regarding race, still no response to the fact that this is what most white people do.  They just don't talk about it openly like I do.

 

Human beings aren't casino slot machines. We all offer something different to the world because no two people are alike. Mental illness is extremely common (affecting around a quarter of the population at some point in their lives) and with your attitude, you have closed yourself off to a quarter of this planet, assuming that just because they're poorly they must be somehow dangerous and bad and risky. Not so. Many people with MH problems may have become unusually compassionate, warm-hearted, and insightful people, due in large part to the struggles they have faced, while plenty of people whom you call 'normal' could be the most callous individuals going. You pride yourself on your normality (your attitudes actually aren't normal, by the way) but you have written things that are cruel as well as just untrue. I have a friend who has suffered from severe mental illness who is so kind and thoughtful to everyone. She's happily married. Her husband is lucky to have her. You'd be blessed if you found someone like her, but your stringent demands and insistence on treating marriage as like a business (with your sexual fetishes at the heart) mean that you will never experience the love that they have, not so long as you cling to these ideas.

 

Not long after they got married, my friend developed a severe physical health condition that has now left her bedbound. Often she is too ill even to go to the bathroom. Her husband has to change her diapers. Neither she nor him were prepared for that at the time of her marriage, but they are happy because they love one another. As others have pointed out, there is a reason why the wedding vows are 'in sickness and in health' and 'for better and for worse'. Either you or your perfect white tall virgin spouse might develop mental health problems at some point in your lives. Your perfect white tall virgin fiancee might be raped prior to your wedding. We don't get to predict what will happen in life or what we get out of it, the key is to love God and one another no matter what happens to us in it, and this seems to be an area where you're failing. From what you've written about your own history, you have a lot to learn about forgiveness and healing before you're ready to marry anybody, no matter how closely she matches your 'requirements' or not - and as many, many women have pointed out to you on this thread, your attitudes are likely to send any woman running for the hills. Not because they're all slutty and you and Norseman are the last bastion of decent Catholic morality out there, because you come across as hyper-controlling, disturbingly fixated on being the 'first one in' (oh, I remember a few guys on my campus who had this fetish and used to deliberately hit on religious girls in the hope of fulfilling it - you're no less creepy), and just plain unloving.

 

I realize that a lot of people have mental illnesses.  If it's mild enough that it doesn't need treatment, then I wouldn't worry about it.  But as soon as anti-depressants are in the picture, I'm out of the picture.  I already told my father this and he agrees with me 100%.

 

Someones state of life should not be a joke. ie: that he missed his opportunity to have sex with a virgin. And you saying the only women he deserves is probably mentally 'ill wrong' young. I haven't been able to keep up with this thread so forgive me if i'm wrong, but did polski ever mention anything about sex. Polski did you mention anything about sex, or was this originally about sex, or just the desire for the right female companion to journey on this road of life with?

 

The conversation bounced around from topic to topic.  I don't remember every single post 100%, but it went something like this:

 

Where can I find a catholic virgin?

Why won't you consider one of the numerous non-virgin catholic girls who committed adultery?

You're mean and crazy for not giving non-virgins a chance.

I listed my requirements in more detail

You're mean, bigoted and ignorant

You need mental help

 

 

Most here would agree he has a right to his preferences -- no matter the level of ignorance -- and would probably not think twice about how ridiculous he is IF NOT FOR his attitude. His attitude is the worst part. But then, you probably don't understand how any of this relates to anything since you didn't read the thread. (Still cannot understand why people choose to post on message boards without reading the MESSAGES.)

 

Again, show me how I'm so ignorant.  I know exactly what I want it and I have a game plan.

 

There are some facts that you should keep in mind.

I will start form the "mental illness" subject.

You may have your reasons for having your position, but let me say you are very young and even if you may find the woman who fulfills all your requirements soon (I highly doubt this will happen but I am speaking hypotetically), there is nothing that can assure you that mentall illness won't ever be a reality in your future life. As many have said and you too have admitted, mental illness is a very common thing. Not only. Everyone among us can have moments in his/her life in which, willing or not, have to face this problem. The fact that nowadays you are (or think to be) free from a mental problem, doesn't mean that you will always be free from it in the whole course of your life. The same is for your spouse. You must seriously consider this, because, a time that the marriage is celebrated, if your spouse will develop a mental illness in the future, the marriage is still valid and you, willing or not, have to face the problem. Please answer: how do you think you would handle the situation, if this possibility became a reality?

 

Then there is a thing that is the logical consequence of what I said above.

In your posts where you strongly defend your positions and your demands and your requests (you started the thread only mentioning the "virgin" aspect, then you added the White one, then the mentally illness, then the fact that your wife should economically contribute to the marriage and so on and on  -I think the only aspect which I agree you shouldn't admitt exceptions is the abortion aspect), you seem to give the idea that married life (and life in general) is like a mathematical equation: once I know the premises, I am absolutely certain of the consequences. But are you really sure that things work this way in real life?

Not to say that one of your previous statements "What would be the point of marrying a non-virgin if I still have a very intense and burning desire to sleep with a virgin?  The marriage would only fall apart anyway, because my desire is just that strong.  When guys have fantasies that their partners can't fullfill, bad things happen." is  worrying at the least. What sort of bad things are you referring to? What sort of bad things could happen in your life if your partner couldn't fulfill your fantasies?

 

Also: can you explain why this desire to sleep with a virgin is so burning and intense for you? What feelings arise in you this desire? For me, it has more to do with an erotical thing rather than a romantic one. I really cannot see the value of virginity as represented in the christian view in the way you talk about it. In your posts, I only can see the idea of a physical excitement and the idea of possession of the other -nothing that speaks of love or self donation.

 

Then the fact that ALL the phatmassers that have replied in these 38 pages of this thread, except from Norseman, have pointed out many critical signals in your posts, really do not mean anything to you?

Many of them are also happily married (Norseman is not), many are white catholic virgin girls that could meet you in real life, and nonetheless you think there isn't absolutely anything you can learn from them, from their experience, from their advices? Do you realize how foolish and absurd is your behaviour?

 

There are other things I'd like to point out (such as also for example the strange fact that, even if you mention a hell that had to do with your mother depression, you seem to be so worryied about your parents' reactions towards your partner in life) but I think that for now this can be enough.

 

If my spouse developed a mental problem, I would do my best to deal with it and try to remove any external things that might be feeding it more, combined with reminding her that I love her.  That is different from marrying a person who already has some serious pre-existing illness, and it gets worse down the road.  The bad things I'm referring to are cheating.  Marriage is forever.  If a guy is going to get married, he should not be settling for less than he truly desires.  If he does settle, then there is the risk that he won't have the drive to keep going when it gets rough because the relationship wasn't 100% what he wanted it to be, therefore it's emotionally easier for him to not honor it.  The desire for virginity in a partner is a combination of several very powerful feelings for me.  Part of it is the fact that it's a question of honor.  If a girl slept with 10 guys before me, then me, then what's so special about the time we slept together?  It's just a standard genital massage that everyone gets, so what makes it even remotely special?  It really doesn't mean anything to me if a girl says she's changed because it doesn't change the fact that she was with 10 guys before.  Another thing is, as you pointed out, the erotic factor.  Everyone has that special feature or two that really turns them on and makes them go WILD if their current partner has it.  Virginity is the thing that does it for me.  Also, I'm more of a skeptic of marriage.  I would not be willing to marry a non-virgin girl, plain and simple.  My heart will harden if a non-virgin girl I was hypothetically with started bringing up marriage.  It's going to take a special girl to soften my heart and make me open to marriage, not your everyday girl.  I will easily push 10 non-virgin girls to the wayside.  I have taken the points of others into consideration.  Just remember that this isn't in person.  It's an online forum.  You have not seen me interact in real life.  I don't care about what my mother would think if I was with a black girl.  It would be my father, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc who I would be concerned about.  But it's not like any of it matters because my physical attraction for other races is 0.

 

Again I will ask this question. Please don't avoid it. What would you do if your own child had a mental illness? Having children is a complete crapshoot. You have NO say whatsoever in their mental health.

 

The same thing I would do if they didn't have a mental illness, raise them to the best of my ability and hope for the best.

 

I've gone from disgust, to amusement, to genuinely feeling bad for this guy. (At first I felt bad for the girl that might end up with him, but the only girls taht would consider dating him won't meet his ridiculous requirements. She'd have to be a little jacked up mentally or a really traditional catholic who I'm sure would not like his rants against stay-at-home mothers).

 

Seriously, I've not met a professing Christian who is so painfully ignorant of sacrificial love and so utilitarian.

 

Polksie, I'm not sure why you continue to be here if you refuse to listen to the dozens of people who are telling you that you need an attitude adjustment. That's fine. Make use of those other avenues to find women. I am confident you will fail and the only reason I'm happy about that is because I'd be worried about a woman who would end up with you. You give such priority to your own self-interests and to think this will magically disappear once you get married to the woman who passes all your tests, is batshit insane.

 

Here's what's likely to happen: women are gonna run the hell away from you when you share these things with them. There is no woman without significant mental health problems who will give you the time of day. This will likely make you bitter and frustrated, but you'll have options: seek help, change, learn how to love better (a lesson we could all use really), or you will be stubborn and be alone for the rest of your natural life. I'm just talking real here.

 

And my apologies if my posts have been rude. I have a bad habit of being a snarky expletive on the internet sometimes, and I was convinced you were an atheist trolling about the insanity of the church's sexual ethos. But I really hope that years down the road you will take some of these folks' advice so you will learn to love better and find happiness with someone.

 

Payce

 

What's wrong with being utilitarian?  It seems like a good idea to me.  You need to realize that this is an online thread and not P2P in real life.  I showed this thread to a few of my friends.  The main thing they pointed out is that the reason the thread is so long is that people don't know how I actually am in real life.  Lol I'm not naive enough to go up to any random girl and just start demanding stuff.  Nobody normal does that.  I start off the dating process like anyone else.

 

But in all seriousness the OP is not unique in his utilitarian leanings among those who take Catholicism or christianity seriously, I've just not seen it taken to this weird extreme.

 

Again, what's wrong with being utilitarian?  I don't see anything abnormal about it.  A lot of regular, everyday people have utilitarian attitudes when it comes to looking for relationships.

[HisChildForever]

The conversation bounced around from topic to topic.  I don't remember every single post 100%, but it went something like this:

 

Where can I find a catholic virgin?

Why won't you consider one of the numerous non-virgin catholic girls who committed adultery?

You're mean and crazy for not giving non-virgins a chance.

I listed my requirements in more detail

You're mean, bigoted and ignorant

You need mental help

 

This is so sugar-coated I now have diabetes.

[HisChildForever]

Another thing is, as you pointed out, the erotic factor.  Everyone has that special feature or two that really turns them on and makes them go WILD if their current partner has it.  Virginity is the thing that does it for me. 

 

So, besides this being creepy. I hope you realize she's no longer a virgin after you have sex. So will you no longer be sexually attracted to your wife after the first time? Or will you get the shivers just knowing she was YOUR conquest? Gross.

[franciscanheart]

Somewhat thread relevant story based on this.  Apparently some of my more..."active"...friends make it a rule "not to sleep with a virgin, because they get clingy and think virginity means something".  I was horrified when I heard that, because I do feel it means something.  However my best friend made his girlfriend at the time, assure him she wasn't a virgin, before they had sex.  She lied and told him she wasn't.  They're married now.

:huh: I never understand why girls lie about that. That's messed up. Also, do they really think he's not going to know when she's IN PAIN? HELLO.
 

In your last post, you said you thought the ship had sailed.  That's implying that I had sex which I did not.

Again, the importance of reading comprehension: NO, that is not implying that. Me saying the ship has sailed means that while you were busy pleasing yourself to thoughts of dominating some mythical virgin on your wedding night, real girls were having real sex. Meaning, good luck finding that perfect, Caucasian, non-depressed-or-otherwise-mentally-inferior virgin of your dreams who (important:) wants to marry you and let you pop her hymen. It probably won't happen.


TL;DR: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you're never going to GET laid, not that you have never BEEN laid. I think we all understand that there's no chance in hell that you've had sex. :like:

[HisChildForever]

You know how we all have nicknames? Like "FranciscanHeart" is "Franny." I vote Polskiesere as "Pokie" for obvious reasons.

[Selah]

Did you know that if you listen to "Revolution 9" backwards, you can hear John Lennon saying, "this thread needs to be closed already, seriously. Also, Paul is dead."

[Lil Red]

You know how we all have nicknames? Like "FranciscanHeart" is "Franny." I vote Polskiesere as "Pokie" for obvious reasons.

 

:hehe: 

[BG45]

:huh: I never understand why girls lie about that. That's messed up. Also, do they really think he's not going to know when she's IN PAIN? HELLO.
 
 

 

Yeah, I'm a guy, so I wouldn't understand why either.  :|  Plus, as rocky as their marriage is, I don't think a foundation of lies was a good way to start...