truthfinder Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 My final question for him is whether he views a woman who has masturbated, but not broken her hymen, as a virgin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWaySoul Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 My final question for him is whether he views a woman who has masturbated, but not broken her hymen, as a virgin. Yep, he does see them as virgins. He answered that a little earlier on: Yes, I do see those men as virgins because they haven't had sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Oh yeah! I forgot about that! OP, y u no like short women? :huh: I was gonna...make a...joke about...nvm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Yep, he does see them as virgins. He answered that a little earlier on: No, that response was about men; I want his answer concerning women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 1) Apparently the tension is more common than may would care to admit. 2) Some of your examples (like if my wife gets cancer we will be virgins for the rest of our lives) are absolutely ludicrous. 3) Who set you up as judge someone to better be single and a virgin? When did the white smoke come out of YOUR chimney? Good grief. Era Might is just trying to show the fallacy of the OP's unrealistic demands. There is a saying that goes something like God laughs when we tell Him our plans. OP's posts paint a vivid picture in my mind of the man who goes to the Temple and thanks God for being better than the rest of them. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 1) Apparently the tension is more common than may would care to admit. 2) Some of your examples (like if my wife gets cancer we will be virgins for the rest of our lives) are absolutely ludicrous. 3) Who set you up as judge someone to better be single and a virgin? When did the white smoke come out of YOUR chimney? Absolutely ludicrous? You have no idea how real life can get, my virgin friend. You missed the point. And I don't think you much care to listen. Sorry, again, for getting involved, against my better instinct. I need to shut my mouth now before I say something really unkind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 The only thing to me that is worrying at this point (I gave up on the OP about ten pages ago) is that Norseman is still defending him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 And where the @$%? is USAirways? He's missing what could turn into another IGN thread. Lesson learned Phatmass, if their name is about their nationality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's funny, the only other people I know who place such a great emphasis on virginity before marriage are Hutterites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tufsoles Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Not only the white thing disturbs me but Mental Illness thing. We have several members that work with, married to, or friends of people that are mentally ill. Most will agree with me.I found that these people are wonderful to be around. They have taught me lessons that I would of never learned such as deeper meaning of compassion, true beauty of life and real love of people that are not like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I was at a Theology on Tap talk last night I thought that was a thing for young people...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polskieserce Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 Am I the only one who noticed this? This is sad, bro. What is so sad about it? Most people don't marry outside of their own race. That is the norm. I am not attracted to people of different skin colors, as is the case with a lot of other white people. My parents came from a conservative catholic country where virtually everyone was white. Let's just say I'm not a guy with jungle fever :hehe2: Vanilla has always been my favorite flavor for ice cream and women. What are you going to do when your wife ignores you because, well, who knows why, she just does? What are you going to do when you've been married 10 years and that virgin isn't a virgin anymore, and you're condemned to a lifetime of non-virgin sex with the same non-virgin? What are you going to do when the kids won't shut up and you lose your job and your wife wants to know where the money is? What are you going to do when your wife gets cancer and you're both virgins for the rest of your (young) lives? What are you going to do when your son dies and your wife checks out emotionally for the rest of her life? You think a woman having sex makes her suspect? There's a lot worse things that can and probably will happen during your marriage. Frankly, if a man can't handle that his wife enjoyed a pleasure in a different life, and he's too delicate to trust a woman who has needs and desires, then I think that man is suspect. I wouldn't trust him to hold the fort down when it all collapses around him. He's better off single and virgin where he can be safe in his idealism. I'm still going to try to make the relationship work, even if it does run into problems. It doesn't matter if she isn't a virgin 10 years after I married her. As long as she was a virgin when I married her, it's all good. To the OP, when you say virgin, are you also implying that she has her hymen intact? If she wasn't born with one, or if it tore during some activity (sports, horseback riding), would you cross her off the list? Just curious to see if you're obsessed with breaking one. I would be suspicious as to whether or not she is telling the truth or if she is just lying so that she can rope me in. Wow! You obviously do not know what the Church defines as virginity for males. Masturbation destroys virginity. As for your assumption that you deserve a great job a virgin wife and all that... to that I say your expectations are selfish, self centered, and reek of entitlement. So what if you did x, y, and z right! Lots of other people have done things by the book and have suffered starvation and other ills. We are not Protestants. We can humbly ask God to bless our efforts with material success but we do not deserve them. If I weren't a consecrated virgin, I'd date a million non-virgins over you any day. I am going by physical virginity. Is anyone else a little creeped out that PoPo has two lovey-dovey CHERRIES as his avatar?? I figured since this thread is so active and I will be remembered for this thread for a while, that might as well be my avatar. As a woman taking medicine for a mental illness, I'm also pretty offended that the OP wouldn't even consider marrying a woman with one. No offense, but I have a mother with mental depression. I lived with her until my parents split up 7 years ago. I have not visited her once since my parents split up. I put up with mental illness long enough in my life. I have no intention of voluntarily dealing with it even more. When it comes to mental illness in a girl, my attitude is to run as if a diseased dog with rabies is chasing you. While I don't have the time nor the desire to read through 20+ pages of whining, bickering, and butthurt, thought I'd give my $.02 on the subject, then bolt. 1) Virginity before marriage is itself a good thing, and there is certainly nothing wrong with desiring or preferring a virgin for one's spouse. And yes, virgins do still exist, even in this day and age. And no, they're not all losers or ugly-looking. My wife was a virgin when I married her. Your chances of landing a virgin are increased substantially if you attend a solid Catholic college (such as Christendom), attend solidly Catholic or Christian events, or use a good Catholic "dating" site such as Ave Maria Singles, or CatholicMatch.com. (I found my wife on Ave Maria.) If you regard those avenues as too "dorky," beneath you, or too much trouble, then that's your problem - stop complaining. 2) That said, I wouldn't automatically rule out all non-virgins. Unless you happen to be Jesus Christ Himself, you yourself are not morally above reproach. There's a difference between someone who's made mistakes in the past, and has genuinely repented and trying to start over again, and someone who's living a promiscuous lifestyle, and shows no intention of changing her ways. Some guys can be hypocritical jerks about this (I knew one dude who had little concern for sexual morality in his own life, and didn't think men should be virgins before marriage, yet insisted that he could only marry a virgin.) Jesus Christ forgave the woman caught in adultery, while some Catholics apparently are unwilling to forgive over less. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. 3) Whining on here about not being able to get a virgin will do nothing to get you a woman, virginal or otherwise. I have nothing against those avenues. I will be making use of them shortly. I think it's interesting you haven't replied to anything I've written, since its been quoted numerous times through this thread... Could it be because I'm not the first person to suggest you need therapy for your attitude? I linked to the exact same post you made on caf... Where you were also told to seek therapy. The same thing happened there. It seems like you are looking for someone to agree with your demeaning and disgusting attitude towards women, not for help at all. You will never be happy living with this attitude of domination, selfishness, and narcissism. I'm not saying this to be mean but because I am very sad for the loss of your future to this worldview, if you choose to live out of it. (there is always the time and grace to change!). If you ever find someone willing to marry you with this attitude, I am confident that it will be an unhealthy marriage. I don't care ifyouwant to marry a virgin. You are not entitled to any woman's sexuality or person. Love is a selfless gift. I am really going to pray that God converts your heart and that until that time, wisdom and discernment guide the hearts of any women who interact with you. You are sinful, like I am too. None of us are virgins to sin. Yet our God doesn't stomp his feet and demand perfection... He becomes man, lives totally for us and then marries us, the Church. He doesn't do this though until after we brutally kill him. Are you living with the heart of God? Let him love you and then see if you can still DEMAND that you DESERVE a virgin, a white woman... If you look with Gods eyes and feel with his heart you will not be able to say the things you have said in this thread. I think that all of us should spend our time praying for this young man because he does not know the love with which the Father loves and that is the saddest part of this thread. Maybe you could share your prayer for him publicly if you feel inclined to. I am not going to go to therapy because I am using my head to look out for my own self interests. Early on, my parents taught me to never settle for the tail end of the deal. I am just doing what most people on this rock called Earth are doing. Oh yeah! I forgot about that! OP, y u no like short women? :huh: I just don't feel physical attraction for them. My final question for him is whether he views a woman who has masturbated, but not broken her hymen, as a virgin. Yes, I don't care if a girl has been rubbing herself down there. As long as there is no other guy in the picture, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He's missing what could turn into another IGN thread. Impossible. IGN is a one-of-a-kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Impossible. IGN is a one-of-a-kind. Unless it is IGN/catholicinsd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'll drop the numbers even lower. His mom suffered from depression? His parents divorced? Self centeredness? Big red flags for marriage. I wouldn't marry this person even if he was the President of the USA. As for "physical virginity" I just told him that if you masturbate, you are not a physical virgin. Particularly if you're a guy. The audacity of this person thinking that he can get away with sexual activity and look askance at a woman who has NOT done something deliberately but been raped. What a messed up view of human sexuality. I will no longer participate in this thread. I don't pander to trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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