Chestertonian Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 There is very little evidence. Aside from that whole follow a black kid walking home from getting skittles and tea incident. I don't think that Zimmerman is an avowed, vehement racist. But a lot of people in this country harbor a disproportionate suspicion that young black men are up to no good and Zimmerman certainly seems to be one of them. A lot of people do and we all have our daemons. I harbor an unfair suspicion of Roma people. And that's my hangup. And that's something I struggle with. And it's my personal struggle. Until I decide to stalk a young Roman man and he ends up dead because of my racism. I don't think that Zimmerman is an evil man. And I don't think his being a racist is his greatest sin. But a kid is dead and, wherever his legal liability, and apparently there is non, I think he's morally responsible for it. If I were a 17 year old and a 30 year old man followed my in an SUV and then on foot I'd be seriously concerned too and I'd consider attacking before I was attacked as well. I doubt that was the first time he had followed someone around. If race was an issue in this case, the evidence suggests it was the other way around. Trayvon was the one who used a racial epithet, not Zimmerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 And just so I'm clear Hasan, I'm not trying to minimize the unjust practice of racial profiling. Nor am I saying that age discrimination happens more frequently. I don't know or care which form of discrimination happens more frequently because discrimination is wrong regardless of how often it happens. What I am saying is that age discrimination is another form of discrimination. Maybe I'm still not making sense, but I wasn't sure how you interpreted my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It has nothing to do with being noble, but being a man. I don't assume because I'm losing a fight that I'm going to die. I don't consider gun use particularly manly...it would have to be very direct circumstances for me to consider killing a person. As far as I concrete, I have no idea what happened, I didn't follow this case. Just saying that if he was getting his head pounded against concrete, that doesn't mean he was a victim...if using a gun to defend yourself is acceptable, then so is using concrete. If Trayvon did not have a gun, maybe he needed the concrete...what would you do if someone had a gun and you didn't? One can just as easily put the gun in the position of malice in that situation. I still think it noble if you are serious, and sure it can also be manly to allow yourself to have your head bashed into cement and just take it like a man. But I wouldn't do it and think less of someone that wouldn't. I did follow the case, the eye witinesses collaborated Zimmerman's testimony, even those for the prosecution. Had Martin stayed home instead of going back out to seek out Zimmerman, which is an act of agression, he'd be alive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 He wasn't being beaten to death. His only serious injury was a broken nose. It only takes one hit of a hard object against your head and you're dead, Zimmerman had a right to be in fear of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I still think it noble if you are serious, and sure it can also be manly to allow yourself to have your head bashed into cement and just take it like a man. But I wouldn't do it and think less of someone that wouldn't. I did follow the case, the eye witinesses collaborated Zimmerman's testimony, even those for the prosecution. Had Martin stayed home instead of going back out to seek out Zimmerman, which is an act of agression, he'd be alive today. If Zimmerman didn't bring a gun to a knife fight, he'd be alive today too. Regardless of who started the fight, getting hit with concrete does not make him a victim. He may well have been a victim, but that alone doesn't make him one. Edited July 16, 2013 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It only takes one hit of a hard object against your head and you're dead, Zimmerman had a right to be in fear of his life. If he's so worried about getting killed in a fistfight then he shouldn't be out crimefighting. Leave it to people who can handle themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 If Zimmerman didn't bring a gun to a knife fight, he'd be a live today too. Had he brought a knife and used it in self defense in a similar manner, I doubt it would change many minds. He'd still be a racist that killed or murdered Martin in the eyes of some, and a person who had the right to defend themselves to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 If he's so worried about getting killed in a fistfight then he shouldn't be out crimefighting. Leave it to people who can handle themselves. You mean like the police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestertonian Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You mean like the police? props Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Since Hassan appears too busy to back up his stop and frisk claims that you're more likely to be stopped and frisked while non-white, I guess I will: *According to the New York Civil Liberties Union, there have been more than 4 million in NYC since 2002; 9 in 10 of these stops have been black or Hispanic. *In some portions of the U.S., racial profiling of latinos is bad enough the ACLU released an app to report harassment by law enforcement. You mean like the police? Want to prop so badly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 http://www.clickorlando.com/news/prosecutors-weigh-in-on-george-zimmerman-verdict/-/1637132/20987802/-/8y7xhn/-/index.html Interesting: "He is and always will be a man who profiled and tracked an unarmed teenager. He provoked that teenager. What George Zimmerman did after disobeying that dispatcher and getting out of his truck set the entire set of circumstances into motion," Corey said. "But it wasn't a crime," Pipitone said. "That alone wasn't a crime. That combined with his mindset, his profiling, him wanting to be the cop, him wanting to apprehend Trayvon, that's what was all against the law," Corey said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas Well sure, but that's all we have to go on, since nobody can read hearts. But the villainous reference to concrete does not hold up by itself, since one can just as easily assume that Trayvon was scared for HIS life, seeing as only one person in the fight had a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 nobody can read hearts. You wouldn't know that reading threads on Phatmass, or turning on your tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 http://www.clickorlando.com/news/prosecutors-weigh-in-on-george-zimmerman-verdict/-/1637132/20987802/-/8y7xhn/-/index.html Interesting: Well, I guess they forgot to mention that to the jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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