George Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

[Guest]

7 pm !!!!!

[Jesus_lol]

From PresidentEnder on reddit 

 

Carrying a gun does not make you a righteous bastion of moral purity. It does not make you badder, harder, bigger and stronger than the others around you. It does not grant you authority. It provides its user with a means to equalize a potential disparity in lethal force, and morally, that's all it does.

The gun is not a license to go to dangerous places, do dangerous things, or create dangerous situations, just because you might have a better chance to survive them. You should still use caution and maintain situational awareness to avoid violence. You should back down from the swaggering bravado of other men and act more timidly and kindly than your caveman instincts would normally encourage you to. Rather than carrying a gun through the bad part of town at 3am, it's better to structure your day so that a trip through the bad part of town at 3am is not on the agenda.

Zimmerman was legally justified to shoot Martin at the moment he took the shot, as was just proven in a court of law. But Zimmerman, Martin, and society as a whole would've been better served if Zimmerman had not followed Martin, or at least had not followed Martin as long as he did.

Now, we'd have been equally well-served if Martin had reached his father's residence and simply stayed inside rather than swaggering out to confront the much smaller man who'd trailed him home. Martin acted just as Zimmerman did and just as we should not: he assumed that because he possessed superior access to lethal force, he could ignore social decorum and safety and march into what would otherwise be a dangerous situation. And regardless of what happened between the end of the phone call and the end of the altercation, he paid for his masculine pride with his life.

If you're going to carry a gun, be educated, trained, and practiced. Carry safely in a holster. Carry jacketed hollow point ammunition. And do not treat the gun as a license to be stupid. Carrying a gun means the opposite: it means you have a duty to be cautious and to be smart.

[4588686]

From PresidentEnder on reddit 

 

 

Martin swaggered out?  Typical.  So he reached his father's house and then swaggered back out to confront Zimmerman?

 

And Martin wasn't larger.  Zimmerman weighed significantly more than him.  Martin was 4 inches taller.  Height is often a disadvantage unless it is accompanied him greater weight and strength.  Ask anybody who has boxed.  

[4588686]

I'm taller than most people.  I possess superior access to lethal force.  Look out world!

[HisChildForever]

Are people under the impression that the jury was racist? If so, I'd like to know how they've come to this conclusion. Since all we actually know about the jury is that they're women, five are white and one black or Hispanic, and five of the six are mothers. And unless I'm mistaken, it's racist to assume white = automatic racist. 

[HisChildForever]

I don't wish mob justice. I said in the paragraph you quoted that I hope him and his family remain safe. I don't like the guy though. I believe Martin was kicking the ish out of him and mabey he did feel he had to shoot. Although I believe he put himself in that situation by how he handled everything before he was getting his butt kicked. I don't believe for 1 second he was this innocent watchman and said nothing to provoke a fight with Martin. Like I said over and over all Zimmerman had to do was identify himself to Martin at 7 pm and see what Martin was up to. Inject some humor in the situation. He didn't do any of that. Instead he played overweight retarded batman. From his tone on the 911 calls to what he said and what ended up happening (the shooting) its pretty clear to me he approached the situation as if Martin was a black no good thug. When in all reality he was a kid coming home with a snack to watch the 2nd half of the nba all star game.

 

Can we stop with the name-calling? 

[BG45]

How so...exactly? 

Well apparently I'm seeing something that isn't there from this post:

 

 

 I was genuinely interested in knowing what your experience was. Makes sense.  :like:

 

 

So I'm sorry for misreading things!

[4588686]

Are people under the impression that the jury was racist? If so, I'd like to know how they've come to this conclusion. Since all we actually know about the jury is that they're women, five are white and one black or Hispanic, and five of the six are mothers. And unless I'm mistaken, it's racist to assume white = automatic racist. 

 

 

I don't think the jury was racist.  I think that Zimmerman was probably innocent under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law.  

[HisChildForever]

I don't think the jury was racist.  I think that Zimmerman was probably innocent under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law.  

 

My comments are really me wondering at all these people involved in protests and marches. If they think Zimmerman a racist and this a racial killing - yes, by all means speak about how horrible that is. But if that's the case, and the jury ruled not guilty, then they're basically calling the jury racist for siding with Zimmerman (or at the very least calling the jurors a bunch of morons for not realizing this was a racially-fueled, malicious murder). I would just like to see these people put forth the evidence that the jurors are in fact racist - which, unless the jurors go public and allow investigations into their personal lives - is simply impossible to procure.

[4588686]

My comments are really me wondering at all these people involved in protests and marches. If they think Zimmerman a racist and this a racial killing - yes, by all means speak about how horrible that is. But if that's the case, and the jury ruled not guilty, then they're basically calling the jury racist for siding with Zimmerman (or at the very least calling the jurors a bunch of morons for not realizing this was a racially-fueled, malicious murder). I would just like to see these people put forth the evidence that the jurors are in fact racist - which, unless the jurors go public and allow investigations into their personal lives - is simply impossible to procure.

 

I think most people protesting are outraged at the law.  Not the jurors confined to the parameters of that law.  

[KnightofChrist]

I think most people protesting are outraged at the law.  Not the jurors confined to the parameters of that law.  

 

Which law?

[Jesus_lol]

I don't think the jury was racist.  I think that Zimmerman was probably innocent under Florida's Stand Your Ground Law.  

 

 

Hasan, normally you are pretty good about this, but are you actually trying to be misinformed about this entire case?

 

Despite endless talk in the news about this case being about SYG, and how it means "you can just murder anyone for no reason/sky is falling", there is one very simple reason that all that chatter was completely useless and irrelevant.

 

Stand Your Ground is a legal defense, and one that was not ever used by the defense. It was not necessary, it had actually nothing to do with the case. Stand your ground is about not having the duty to retreat if at all possible, and the defense asserted, and correctly so, that at the time of the shooting, Zimmerman had no realistic way of retreating. Being on his back under Martin, it isnt like he could have just turned around and ran off. So, with that bit about duty to retreat being not necessary to prove, as he was not capable of doing so, this became a bog standard case of "self defense" for the Defense. SYG was not involved, and this case would have proceeded exactly as it did in a different state without that law.

 

This was tried as a standard self defense case, same as you might see had this happened in any of the other 40 odd states that do not have a Stand Your Ground style law in place.

 

 

Yet another thing the media wouldnt let go of, even long after it was shown to have been fabricated.

 

 

 

Martin swaggered out?  Typical.  So he reached his father's house and then swaggered back out to confront Zimmerman?

 

And Martin wasn't larger.  Zimmerman weighed significantly more than him.  Martin was 4 inches taller.  Height is often a disadvantage unless it is accompanied him greater weight and strength.  Ask anybody who has boxed.  

 

 

The victim's girlfriend, who was on the phone with him at the time testified that he had already reached his father's house, safety, at which point he decided to walk back out, find Zimmerman and force a confrontation. Both her and Zimmerman agreed that Martin was the one who actually confronted Zimmerman, and that immediately afterwards it became a fight, during which Martin landed every blow and was not injured until he was shot.

 

So yeah, walking back out to force a confrontation sounds a bit like swaggering to me.

 

Zimmerman had a bit more fat on him, considerably less height and reach. Martin boasted about being in fights often, im going to assume he knew how to punch. Zimmerman evidently didnt even get to land any punches. Martin was anything but a small weak guy, and he was clearly winning the fight, as all the evidence and witnesses show(which makes me wonder why you are insisting that Zimmerman would be the better fighter).

 

 

Look dude, I respect your opinions, but you are basing them off either old or faulty "evidence/hearsay". Believe what you like, but the sequence of events was pretty clearly laid out at the trial.

Edited July 16, 2013 by Jesus_lol

[Winchester]

Martin swaggered out?  Typical.  So he reached his father's house and then swaggered back out to confront Zimmerman?

 

And Martin wasn't larger.  Zimmerman weighed significantly more than him.  Martin was 4 inches taller.  Height is often a disadvantage unless it is accompanied him greater weight and strength.  Ask anybody who has boxed.  

Boxing ain't fighting. 

[4588686]

 

 

The victim's girlfriend, who was on the phone with him at the time testified that he had already reached his father's house, safety, at which point he decided to walk back out, find Zimmerman and force a confrontation. 

 

 

Source?  If that's true then I would have a completely different opinion about this.  

[southern california guy]

Just to confuse things further... have any of you heard of the drug mixture called "lean"?

 

… 6. Lean is a mixed drink originating in the Southern Rap culture. It is a mixture of Promethazine and Codeine cough syrup and a soft drink such as Sprite (usually). While other soft drinks may be used, Sprite was the original.

 

 

[And now also Arizona Watermelon for Watermelon Drank/Lean]

 

 

There are some variations of Lean. For example, Promethazine and Codeine syrup is usually Purple in color. But there are other colors of syrup that work the same way. There is a golden-colored syrup (hydrocodone based) and other colors as well.

Lean slows you down. It makes you feel good. It’s meant to be sipped on, and it taste damn good. One of the best feelings you will ever experience. Euphoria with a hint of sedation. …”

Lean is also the drug mixture that killed Pimp C.
…
DXM” is an abbreviation for the cough suppressant Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide — which is the active ingredient in the cough-syrup brand Robitussin.

 

…
DXM causes physical and psychological effects that may be frightening or unpleasant… Psychological effects can include profound disorientation, depression, a feeling of personal disintegration, or a feeling of “unreality” and disconnection that may persist for days. Chronic use may cause depression, psychological dependency, and possibly brain damage. Large doses may be associated with psychotic breaks…
…
In answer to the question “What’s the DXM Trip Like” the author says:

 

“Well, that depends on how much you take. There are four different kinds of experiences, based on the dosage; these are called plateaus.

The first plateau is a mild stimulant effect with a little bit of a buzz, and has been compared to MDA [a more psychedelic cousin of MDMA -aka-"Ecstasy"].

The second plateau is more intoxicating and has been compared to being drunk and stoned at the same time.

The third plateau is dissociative, like a lower dose of ketamine.

The fourth plateau is fully dissociative like a higher dose of ketamine.

You should not [emphasis original!] attempt higher plateau doses unless you have someone with you who can take care of you in case you get sick or freak out. It happens on DXM.”