Kateri89 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_OAL.pdf Just thought this was a simple, easy-to-read chart of each state's requirements for abortions. It is worth noting that in the intro, it mentions that not all states enforce the laws but it's still interesting to read. They'll need to update it next month to include the newest restrictions being put into place in several states (most notably Texas :bananarap: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I thought the point of the legislation in Texas was health regulations. Guess that was a thinly veiled lie :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I thought the point of the legislation in Texas was health regulations. Guess that was a thinly veiled lie :D Just as firearms regulations are the same as firearms restrictions. Get with it Hasan. :hehe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Just as firearms regulations are the same as firearms restrictions. Get with it Hasan. :hehe: Sure. But there is no pretense that some regulations, like background checks, will restrict access to firearms for some people. That's their point. Unlike these regulations, which are supposed to be motivated by a concern for the women who are having abortions. Which is obviously a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Sure. But there is no pretense that some regulations, like background checks, will restrict access to firearms for some people. That's their point. Unlike these regulations, which are supposed to be motivated by a concern for the women who are having abortions. Which is obviously a lie. Oh, but restricting access to firearms will result in less people being killed by them. Same with abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Oh, but restricting access to firearms will result in less people being killed by them. Same with abortions. Do you have a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Do you? :hehe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Do you? :hehe: Yes. That the motivations for these laws are to restrict access to abortion to the greatest point possible within the current legal matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Those saintly "liberals" who would restrict access of citizens to firearms, being Pure of Heart, are of course motivated only by the noble and heroic goal of defending the Public Safety, and protecting the populace from themselves. Those awful pro-lifers who would restrict access to abortion, on the other hand, are really motivated by the sinister, evil, and utterly un-American goal of preventing babies from being killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kateri89 Posted July 14, 2013 Author Share Posted July 14, 2013 I thought the point of the legislation in Texas was health regulations. Guess that was a thinly veiled lie :D I don't follow... If maternal health matters to pro-choicers, why wouldn't they want more regulations on abortion? If women deserve "safe" abortions, it should be a licensed physician performing it and they should absolutely have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. A person going into surgery even for something as simple as a cataract removal has to be educated on the procedure and review paperwork before the surgery takes place. I've yet to see people protest the regulations for cataract surgery. If a non-physician performs the abortion and perforates the uterus or causes any of a number of complications otherwise, the delay in treatment from that point until the woman is transported to a hospital could have serious repercussions on her health. If it is a licensed M.D., he/she has the expertise to care for the woman and with admitting privileges can get that woman taken care of right away. I would think the "First do no harm" Hippocratic oath of physicians was a thinly veiled lie. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Those saintly "liberals" who would restrict access of citizens to firearms, being Pure of Heart, are of course motivated only by the noble and heroic goal of defending the Public Safety, and protecting the populace from themselves. Those awful pro-lifers who would restrict access to abortion, on the other hand, are really motivated by the sinister, evil, and utterly un-American goal of preventing babies from being killed. I really find your attempts at cleverness tiresome. A lot of liberals really earnestly feel that restricting access to firearms would save lives. This is obviously correct. Although how much of an impact it would have is highly debatable. A lot of other liberals, particularly those closer to the centers of power, don't have any particularly fervent beliefs but have a sort of cosmopolitan disgust of firearms and may see some electoral advantages to using the legislature to publicly demonstrate how beholden Republican lawmakers are to the NRA. I never said that pro-lifers are sinister or malicious in their motivations, although I think the end result of their goals would be both bad from a public health standpoint and deleterious to the gains made by the feminist movement. And in this case, they clearly decided that the end of goal of limiting access to abortion justified deceptive means by which they are achieving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I don't follow... If maternal health matters to pro-choicers, why wouldn't they want more regulations on abortion? If women deserve "safe" abortions, it should be a licensed physician performing it and they should absolutely have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. A person going into surgery even for something as simple as a cataract removal has to be educated on the procedure and review paperwork before the surgery takes place. I've yet to see people protest the regulations for cataract surgery. If a non-physician performs the abortion and perforates the uterus or causes any of a number of complications otherwise, the delay in treatment from that point until the woman is transported to a hospital could have serious repercussions on her health. If it is a licensed M.D., he/she has the expertise to care for the woman and with admitting privileges can get that woman taken care of right away. I would think the "First do no harm" Hippocratic oath of physicians was a thinly veiled lie. Just sayin... Ok. So we should require that all dental clinics have all procedures, including standard cleaning, performed by a licensed dentist, and an ambulance and EMT crew parked outside the clinic for every patient. We don't because dental clinics tend to be very safe and the cost of those regulations would be so burdensome that most dental clinics would be shut down and far more people would be unable to access dental care, and suffer from that scarcity, then would ever be helped from the EMT team or having a dentist do tedious cleaning. Abortion is a safe procedure. The rates of complications are extremely low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 (edited) I really find your attempts at cleverness tiresome. A lot of liberals really earnestly feel that restricting access to firearms would save lives. This is obviously correct. Although how much of an impact it would have is highly debatable. A lot of other liberals, particularly those closer to the centers of power, don't have any particularly fervent beliefs but have a sort of cosmopolitan disgust of firearms and may see some electoral advantages to using the legislature to publicly demonstrate how beholden Republican lawmakers are to the NRA. I never said that pro-lifers are sinister or malicious in their motivations, although I think the end result of their goals would be both bad from a public health standpoint and deleterious to the gains made by the feminist movement. And in this case, they clearly decided that the end of goal of limiting access to abortion justified deceptive means by which they are achieving them. I've seldom agree with you, and I'm not now, but one this I will say: when you're in serious mode, you say things quite well. . That being said, I fervently want to believe that these restrictions are coming from truthful motivations. Or something. I'm torn on this one. Edited July 14, 2013 by Amppax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Ok. So we should require that all dental clinics have all procedures, including standard cleaning, performed by a licensed dentist, and an ambulance and EMT crew parked outside the clinic for every patient. We don't because dental clinics tend to be very safe and the cost of those regulations would be so burdensome that most dental clinics would be shut down and far more people would be unable to access dental care, and suffer from that scarcity, then would ever be helped from the EMT team or having a dentist do tedious cleaning. Abortion is a safe procedure for the woman. The rates of complications are extremely low. fify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Abortion is a safe procedure. The rates of complications are extremely low. Wrong. http://afterabortion.org/1999/abortion-risks-a-list-of-major-physical-complications-related-to-abortion/ Not to mention, abortion is nearly 100% fatal for preborn children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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