Nihil Obstat Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The 5 percenter's racism has no actual affect because they are not in a position in which their racism means anything. In other words, nobody is being affected by the 5 percenter's racism because they have no real power. It's like if I hated people with hair, I would never allow people with hair sign up for this phorum. Everyone with hair would be affected--because I am the boss. Now, if a noob signed up and said they hate bald people, and said bald people should not be webmasters, I'd simply ban them. I would not be affected in any way. My prejudice has real consequences. Their prejudice does not. That's why there is the philosophical idea that black people cannot be racist. So your philosophical definition of racism necessarily includes temporal consequences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 The 5 percenter's racism has no actual affect because they are not in a position in which their racism means anything. In other words, nobody is being affected by the 5 percenter's racism because they have no real power. It's like if I hated people with hair, I would never allow people with hair sign up for this phorum. Everyone with hair would be affected--because I am the boss. Now, if a noob signed up and said they hate bald people, and said bald people should not be webmasters, I'd simply ban them. I would not be affected in any way. My prejudice has real consequences. Their prejudice does not. That's why there is the philosophical idea that black people cannot be racist. But black people now own businesses and are congressmen and everything. Their prejudices can now affect white people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie12 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) This is a very interesting topic. I know that my dad has always told me that if I get married to marry and Irish Catholic... That is if I ignore his advice to never get married. I honestly think this isn't racism as much as it is his picture of how things should be. He is very proud of our Irish heritage and the way the Irish handled the English persecution back during the Irish potato famine. Now, that said, I think if I ever married an English guy I would not get a good reaction from my family, But I think its a matter of warming up to people and accepting them for their soul and not just their exterior. I don't think you or I have to worry about this yet. So far it is just talk. If your parents really do disown you for marrying outside your race you can deal with that when it happens. But what I have learned in life so far is it is better to give loved ones the benefit of the doubt and not always try to figure out what they are going to do. And, of course, is God wills it nothing can stop it! Edited July 11, 2013 by Annie12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 PROTIP: You can't be a "little racist". You either are racist or you aren't. You can't bake a turd in a cake and tell people that it's only a little bit of a turd cake. Race is still a huge issue today. Tired of getting facebook status updates saying "forgive Paula Deen" heck there was even a thread on here embracing Brad Paisley. Oh the horror! That Brad Paisley's pretty much Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) Oh the horror! That Brad Paisley's pretty much Hitler. Eight pages! Edited July 11, 2013 by homeschoolmom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 My parents would be greatly offended and angered that I spoke about them in a negative light, therefore I wouldn't be allowed on here anymore. Didn't you move away from your parents and in with your sister? Or are you back again? If you are away from your parents you shouldn't have to worry so much about them disapproving of whom you marry as if you were still living at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Oh the horror! That Brad Paisley's pretty much Hitler. What's wrong with Brad Paisley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 What's wrong with Brad Paisley? Apparently, he's a horrible Racist. http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/129970-this-is-what-being-american-is-all-about/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 But black people now own businesses and are congressmen and everything. Their prejudices can now affect white people. At that level, the races are different. They are: Politician, Enforcer, Corporation, Subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Apparently, he's a horrible Racist. http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/129970-this-is-what-being-american-is-all-about/ The naive racist is the most prevalent type still kicking around today. The "Aww shucks, I'm sorry IF I offended you for wearin' this flag, it's not racist it's just my heritage (which is steeped in racism)" The "Aww shucks , can't ya just take a joke" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 So your philosophical definition of racism necessarily includes temporal consequences? He's basically explaining the difference between institutional and individual racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Black people can't be racist. Only the segment of population that is in the social and economic position of power can legitimately practice racism. Black people can be prejudiced, but not racist. That is simply false. With utmost respect this definition of racism is not logical. It's a political view based on classism, a form of discrimination like racism, and racism. It is classism because it promotes the idea that a certain group are incapable of the sin of racism based on their class. In like manner it would be erroneous to belief that poor people cannot be greedy because they are poor, or that rich people cannot be envous because they are rich. The definition is also racist because it assumes incorrectly that black people do not have any power, in this country or the rest of the world. Not that you are a racist, I don't believe you are, because it is possible to be fooled by some racist views while not necessarily being a racist, similar to how it is possible to hold or to be fooled by certain heretical views and not necessarily be a heretic. Racism is prejudice, racism is bigotry, racism is hatred. All a black person or any type of person has to do is to believe that they are superior to another ethnic group, hate another ethnic group, or direct bigoted beliefs towards another ethnic group and that would be racist. It wouldn't matter how rich or poor they are, or how powerful or powerless they may be, it would still be racism. One doesn't need power of any kind to be a bigoted, hate filled, racist. Racists who have power can make the effects their racism worse, but lack of power doesn't magically make individuals or groups of individuals of one race incapable of being racists. We are all capable of the sin of racism (hate/discrimination of ethnic groups), we all have the same fallen nature no matter what our class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 We are defining racism differently. Give me a specific definition of racism and I will tell you if black people can be racist based on your definition. You said, "Racism is prejudice." I said black people can be prejudice. So it appears, yes, based on your definition of racism, black people can be racist. I'm not quite sure why there is a need for two separate words if racism and prejudice mean the same thing, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Language, especially English, is slippery that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Yeah. What is race? How is it defined? It's not. It's a social construct. Skin color? Features? Behavior? What is race, really? How can "racism" be defined if "race" can't even be defined? I don't know, but what I do know is this entire thread is racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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