Racist Parents Question

[Guest]

Dude needs to go on a diet also...I. wouldn't worry about some panther killing me if I was George. I would worry about a heart attacck.

Edited July 13, 2013 by Guest

[southern california guy]

Completely changing the topic, I think that you should learn to speak Japanese if you like Japanese women.  Then if you go to visit Japan -- you will be able to understand the language and appreciate the culture and the place better  :cheers: .  Also if you marry a woman from Japan then she could speak Japanese with you and she wouldn't go crazy here.  My brothers wife is Chilean and he speaks spanish so it makes things much easier for her.

[Socrates]

I think what a lot of people are missing is that structural racism isn't usually interpersonal. We live in a representative(ish) democracy where political leader to jockey in ways that permit them to both form coalitions of citizenry to grant them formal power through elections and private moneyed interests that give them that practical means to form and influence those coalitions. In America, for a number of reasons, both class and historical (the electoral college and the ways partys structure their primary proccess) the white, more traditionally orientated, portions of the selectorate wield disproportionate influence in national politics. Or at least they have traditionally. This isn't a one way street. A lot of politicians have seen racial tensions as a convenient resource to tap into for politican gain:

 

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry S. Dent, Sr. and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster.

 

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

 

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "nice black person, nice black person, nice black person." By 1968 you can't say "nice black person" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "nice black person, nice black person."

 

So while black people can have racial animosity you can't compare the systemic effects of black racism to white racism. I mean, you can compare them. But if your try to equivocate them in terms of the systemic effects you're comparing applies to oranges. It also means that Obama being President doesn't really alter that structural reality much because 1-Domestically, the executive is far less powerful than most people believe, particularly in the current climate 2-He's still just one actor who depends on a selectorate coalition that must incorporate policies and policy programs that can incorporate white Americans, many from more conservative states, like Virginia or Colorado, into their coalition to achieve power.

 

tl:dr--> Yes, saying 'black people can't be racist' is a simplifications but it get's at the basic truth that racism in the black community doesn't impact white Americans to nearly the degree that racism in the white community impacts black Americans.

 

Anyone who wants lower taxes is a racist.

 

Of course.

 

No one would ever have a reason for wanting lower taxes other than to keep the black man down.

 

 

I've heard driving pickup trucks is also "coded racism."

[Socrates]

And then there's the case going on right now about Trayvon Martin who was shot. There's  been talk that even if George Zimmerman gets off, that he won't be able to show his face in public again.

 

To paraphrase Mark Steyn, only in modern America would an Obama-voting Hispanic become the poster-boy for white racism.

[PhuturePriest]

Completely changing the topic, I think that you should learn to speak Japanese if you like Japanese women.  Then if you go to visit Japan -- you will be able to understand the language and appreciate the culture and the place better  :cheers: .  Also if you marry a woman from Japan then she could speak Japanese with you and she wouldn't go crazy here.  My brothers wife is Chilean and he speaks spanish so it makes things much easier for her.

 

How does it make it easier for her?

[southern california guy]

How does it make it easier for her?

I think that it can be quite a culture shock.  She will be more comfortable speaking her native language and it will give her a chance to take a break from speaking english.  Also it shows that you are making the effort to make adjustments for her.  It shows that you care about her and you respect her and her culture.  At least that is my opinion.

[4588686]

Anyone who wants lower taxes is a racist.

 

Of course.

 

No one would ever have a reason for wanting lower taxes other than to keep the black man down.

 

 

I've heard driving pickup trucks is also "coded racism."

http://www.thenation.com/article/170841/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy#axzz2YzEuZoyp

[Winchester]

Reminds me of when the conservatives bring up Saul Alinsky.

 

 

Y'all are so cute.

[4588686]

Reminds me of when the conservatives bring up Saul Alinsky.

 

 

Y'all are so cute.

 

 

Saul Alinsky was never a part of the Democratic party, unfortunately.  Lee Atwater was one of the chief strategists of the Republican party and a meber of the Reagan administration.  

[Winchester]

Saul Alinsky was never a part of the Democratic party, unfortunately.  Lee Atwater was one of the chief strategists of the Republican party and a meber of the Reagan administration.  

[4588686]

 

Saul Alinsky was never a part of the Democratic party, unfortunately.  Lee Atwater was one of the chief strategists of the Republican party and a meber of the Reagan administration.  

 

 

 

 

How is what I am saying in any way conspiratorial?  Lee Atwater was not a minor or fringe figure in Republican politics.  He was a major figure and major strategist.  He was a major force in designing the electoral strategies of two Republican presidents.  Including the current figurehead of the Republican party.  And he is stating explicitly that the policies in question are an attempt to appeal to the racism of the conservative electorate.  

[Winchester]

How is what I am saying in any way conspiratorial?  Lee Atwater was not a minor or fringe figure in Republican politics.  He was a major figure and major strategist.  He was a major force in designing the electoral strategies of two Republican presidents.  Including the current figurehead of the Republican party.  And he is stating explicitly that the policies in question are an attempt to appeal to the racism of the conservative electorate.  

You're getting defensive.

[4588686]

You're getting defensive.

 

 

No.  I'm just baffled at how weird your claim is.  

[4588686]

And drunk.  I was supposed to head out and meet people.  I must escape the phatmass vortex.  

[Winchester]

No.  I'm just baffled at how weird your claim is.  

That it reminds me of that stuff?

 

It does.

 

Srsly, y'all are cute fighting over which wing of the AFP is going to take your stuff and give it to their buddies.