ChristinaTherese Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I'm going to New York for a few days and was just wondering if anyone knew of an EF Mass around there.... I intend to get to daily Mass (probably around noon or 5-ish or so downtown) and figured that I'd check with y'all just in case. (I've been at Novus Ordo Masses exclusively for the last month.... I'd like a change for a little, since I've been used to EF Mass about 4 days a week (and NO the other 3) at college.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 http://www.ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#New%20York Holy Innocents might be your best bet. Manhattan Church of the Holy Innocents Sunday: 10:00 AM; Mon - Fri: 6:00 PM; Sat: 1:00 PM Holy Day falling on weekday: 6:00 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 http://www.ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm#New%20York Holy Innocents might be your best bet. Manhattan Church of the Holy Innocents Sunday: 10:00 AM; Mon - Fri: 6:00 PM; Sat: 1:00 PM Holy Day falling on weekday: 6:00 PM Question: Why have Mass on Saturday at 1:00 since that doesn't count for your Sunday obligation? It's clearly stated that it must be 4:00 on Saturday evening for a Mass to be counted for your Sunday obligation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaTherese Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Question: Why have Mass on Saturday at 1:00 since that doesn't count for your Sunday obligation? It's clearly stated that it must be 4:00 on Saturday evening for a Mass to be counted for your Sunday obligation. Because daily Mass on Saturdays is a good thing, and because if you want a vigil Mass they have a NO Mass at 4:00. (Their website is here: http://www.innocents.com/) Oh, and thanks, Nihil! I'll see if I can get there (that is, if it fits in with my parents' desired schedule or they'd rather I go at an earlier time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Because daily Mass on Saturdays is a good thing, and because if you want a vigil Mass they have a NO Mass at 4:00. (Their website is here: http://www.innocents.com/) Oh, and thanks, Nihil! I'll see if I can get there (that is, if it fits in with my parents' desired schedule or they'd rather I go at an earlier time). But you can just have a Vigil Mass and then go to Mass again on Sunday. It doesn't make sense to have a daily Mass on Saturday, I don't think. Besides, what if you wanted to go to the EF but could only go on Saturdays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Anticipated Masses are a bit of a new thing. Perhaps more traditional churches prefer to simply have a daily Mass. I know at my parish the Novus Ordo does the vigil, and we do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 But you can just have a Vigil Mass and then go to Mass again on Sunday. It doesn't make sense to have a daily Mass on Saturday, I don't think. Besides, what if you wanted to go to the EF but could only go on Saturdays?If it's a fraternity parish, it won't offer an anticipatory Mass. They stopped those several years ago... I remember my parents-in-law switching parishes for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Question: Why have Mass on Saturday at 1:00 since that doesn't count for your Sunday obligation? It's clearly stated that it must be 4:00 on Saturday evening for a Mass to be counted for your Sunday obligation. It is stated that as long as Mass on Saturday falls after 12pm, it fulfills the Sunday obligation. It can be a nuptial or funeral Mass or a Vigil (meaning that the liturgy is the Sunday readings). http://www.canonlaw.info/2008/11/time-period-for-fulfilling-sunday.html Edited July 8, 2013 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 It is stated that as long as Mass on Saturday falls after 12pm, it fulfills the Sunday obligation. http://www.canonlaw.info/2008/11/time-period-for-fulfilling-sunday.html Well, that makes no sense. In Jewish tradition, the next day begins at four o'clock. That's why in my diocese and in the neighboring dioceses, if a Mass is before 4:00, it doesn't fulfill your Sunday obligation. That's how it is in all the dioceses in Kansas. I figured that was a universal rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Well, that makes no sense. In Jewish tradition, the next day begins at four o'clock. That's why in my diocese and in the neighboring dioceses, if a Mass is before 4:00, it doesn't fulfill your Sunday obligation. That's how it is in all the dioceses in Kansas. I figured that was a universal rule. In my diocese, there is a large Church with a website that says that Masses held after 12pm fulfill the requirement. Maybe it's exclusive to your state to hold it after 4pm? Edited July 8, 2013 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) More information from EWTN: http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur242.htm It appears that 4pm is the norm. I guess my diocese is different or mislead. :( Edited July 8, 2013 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) OK, I'm confused. This answer from an apologist states that Rome hasn't been specific. Maybe a Church Scholar can weigh in? http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=20461 All I know is there is a Church in my diocese that offers a Mass at noon and they specifically state it fulfills the Sunday obligation. Edited July 8, 2013 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 OK, here is another website that states the Saturday Vigil Mass MUST take place after 4pm to be considered a Sunday Mass. http://stlouisreview.com/article/2012-06-27/dear-father-when-does In 1953, Pope Pius XII expanded the option of celebrating the vigil Mass to Sundays, holy days of obligation and special local celebrations to the Church. In his Encyclical "Christus Dominus," the Holy Father declared that such a celebration should not begin before 4 p.m. While some places celebrate the vigil at 4 p.m., most follow the custom of the Diocese of Rome, which begins the vigil Mass at 5 p.m. If you are at a Mass before 4 p.m. on a Saturday, plan on going later that day or on Sunday. If it is after 4 p.m., the priest likely will announce if that Mass will fulfill the obligation or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 It may (or may not) be within the diocese's prerogative to allow Masses to fulfill an obligation where normally they would not. I do not know, but canon law makes allowances like that for ordinaries in other situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 why should the saints, Mass readings, etc., get cheated just because they fall on a Saturday? when I was tiny my Mom used to say that the only days of the year without a Mass were Good Friday and Holy Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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