PhuturePriest Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 I haven't judged anyone, just giving my honest opinion. What is the opinion of the Pope and the Magesterium of the church as a whole and not individuals. Magic is not a toy, it is in serious opposition of the truth. Magicians are mentioned a couple of times in the new testament and both times where opposed to the gospel of the Lord,one even with the same name as Jesus i think it was something like Ba-Jesus. And in the old.testament,. i think it is leviticus, we are warned against such divinations, including magic. This is not a joke about fun, this is about faith,hope,love and peace, and such things are opposed to faith,hope,love and peace. Onward Chrisitan souls. JESUS iz LORD. It just so happens, your concerns with the Church and Leviticus about magic are done away with by this Dominican Friar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrX_qrm9XYA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bombay Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I do not think it is necessarily objectionable to portray villains as being nuanced. One can be entirely evil without being a caricature of evil. After all, this is how real people are, more often than not. I feel like your critique objects more to morally questionable antiheroes than to true villains, so I sort of think you are comparing apples and oranges. The anti-hero is a well known and well used literary device. I'm not sure what you're objecting to. The anti-hero is merely the protagonist lacking in traditional heroic virtues. My objection is to the glorification of the villain, not as the anti-hero but specifically because he's a villain. Yes, I object to the anti-hero as used today precisely because it is twisting it in a most unhealthy manner. There's nothing morally redeeming about a fictional creature who must drink copious quantities of human blood to survive. The whole premise is perverse. To then take that perverse premise and try to turn it into something amorphous and possibly even good is to upend absolute truth. It is a complete rejection of a black and white certainty and the adoption of multiple shades of gray, or even grey. Trying to turn a folkloric icon of evil such as a vampire or a werewolf into a hero is wrong. It is, in my opinion, an attempt to mock the prevailing moral compass of our society which has been increasingly pointing off course for some time now in any event. These vulgarians have adopted the motto: "Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever modest, whatsoever just, whatsoever holy, whatsoever lovely, whatsoever of good fame, if there be any virtue, if any praise of discipline, ridicule these things." They want to stick a thumb in our eye because they enjoy it and know they can get away with it. But what's even worse with modern horror is when they glorify the villain, not as anti-hero, but simply as villain. It's disturbing. Look at Freddy Krueger, for example. He's hardly an anti-hero in any traditional sense of the word. He's merely evil personified and exulted. He's awesome because he's so darned evil, not because, in spite of his evil, he might actually do something good. Perverse. Modern horror portrays evil as something to look at, like a car crash. It appeals to an unhealthy curiosity and curiosity is a vice. It doesn't portray evil as something to be repelled by or to take a stand against. It's merely one more choice among a smorgasbord of options. It is the satanic perversion of "freedom of choice" taken to its logical conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 The anti-hero is a well known and well used literary device. I'm not sure what you're objecting to. The anti-hero is merely the protagonist lacking in traditional heroic virtues. My objection is to the glorification of the villain, not as the anti-hero but specifically because he's a villain. Yes, I object to the anti-hero as used today precisely because it is twisting it in a most unhealthy manner. There's nothing morally redeeming about a fictional creature who must drink copious quantities of human blood to survive. The whole premise is perverse. To then take that perverse premise and try to turn it into something amorphous and possibly even good is to upend absolute truth. It is a complete rejection of a black and white certainty and the adoption of multiple shades of gray, or even grey. Trying to turn a folkloric icon of evil such as a vampire or a werewolf into a hero is wrong. It is, in my opinion, an attempt to mock the prevailing moral compass of our society which has been increasingly pointing off course for some time now in any event. These vulgarians have adopted the motto: "Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever modest, whatsoever just, whatsoever holy, whatsoever lovely, whatsoever of good fame, if there be any virtue, if any praise of discipline, ridicule these things." They want to stick a thumb in our eye because they enjoy it and know they can get away with it. But what's even worse with modern horror is when they glorify the villain, not as anti-hero, but simply as villain. It's disturbing. Look at Freddy Krueger, for example. He's hardly an anti-hero in any traditional sense of the word. He's merely evil personified and exulted. He's amesome because he's so darned evil, not because, in spite of his evil, he might actually do something good. Perverse. Modern horror portrays evil as something to look at, like a car crash. It appeals to an unhealthy curiosity and curiosity is a vice. It doesn't portray evil as something to be repelled by or to take a stand against. It's merely one more choice among a smorgasbord of options. It is the satanic perversion of "freedom of choice" taken to its logical conclusion. This has nothing to do with your post, but just in case you missed this glorious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrX_qrm9XYA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) It just so happens, your concerns with the Church and Leviticus about magic are done away with by this Dominican Friar. I can't stop anyone from watching t.v and/or movies, just be righteous about what you watch and don't fill your heart and mind with doo doo . Listen to this song, it is about being a righteous movie watcher. http://youtu.be/jspGh30k7DI Please listen to the whole song, i have watched your franciscan priest on this matter before, i will watch it again just for you. Edited July 6, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Notice your franciscan monk says that this is on his opinion, he doesn't say ":this is the churches opinion." also he tries to twist the chatechism. The response of the chatechism should be sufficant. It's response is a resounding no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 Notice your franciscan monk says that this is on his opinion, he doesn't say ":this is the churches opinion." also he tries to twist the chatechism. The response of the chatechism should be sufficant. It's response is a resounding no. First: He isn't a Franciscan Monk. He's a Dominican Friar. Second: There is no such thing as a Franciscan Monk. There are only Franciscan Friars. Third: He gave out reasoned answers according to what the Church teaches and using reason. If you don't find his reasoning satisfactory, there's nothing I can tell you to change your mind. However, notice the Church has never in any way condemned Harry Potter, and countless Church leaders have praised it, The Lord of the Rings, and The Chronicles of Narnia, all of which use magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vinny Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Modern horror portrays evil as something to look at, like a car crash. It appeals to an unhealthy curiosity and curiosity is a vice. Got to say, I really hate this line of thinking. Curiosity is the font of productive creativity. We're benefiting from the fruits of the curiosity of electrical engineers and computer scientists right now by having this discussion. Maybe unhealthy curiosity is a vice, but curiosity itself is God-given, and like any gift may be used properly or abused. Edited July 6, 2013 by Brother Vinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 In the chronicles of narnia the magic sort are on the opposing side to aslan and his followers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vinny Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 In the chronicles of narnia the magic sort are on the opposing side to aslan and his followers. The Chronicles of Narnia also refer to a Deeper Magic, stronger than that of the White Witch's Deep Magic, that belongs to Aslan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bombay Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 This has nothing to do with your post, but just in case you missed this glorious video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrX_qrm9XYA I see your Dominican and raise you a Marian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQGnB0xm_g Oh, and.... "It is good that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly." That's from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. You might know him better as the Vicar of Christ, Pope Benedict XVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 In the chronicles of narnia the magic sort are on the opposing side to aslan and his followers. On the contrary, the good guys use magic, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 In the chronicles of narnia the magic sort are on the opposing side to aslan and his followers, as far as i'm aware, i can't remember exactly i watched it a long time ago and don't watch movies or t.v. anymore. Well i rarely watch, it is difficult for me to not watch t.v. at present i'm living in a house with two t.v's that are consistantly on at night time, it is a great temptation for me, and usually when i succumb to the temptations and do watch something usualy i switch it off after 10 or so minutes. Most of it is junk food for your minds and hearts, it's bad for our spiritual health. You wouldn't go and do a quijah party, so why reason that watching such things in the guise of fantasy are any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Than Chronicles of Narnia are no good either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Bombay Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Got to say, I really hate this line of thinking. Curiosity is the font of productive creativity. We're benefiting from the fruits of the curiosity of electrical engineers and computer scientists right now by having this discussion. Maybe unhealthy curiosity is a vice, but curiosity itself is God-given, and like any gift may be used properly or abused. You'll need to take it up with Aquinas. I'm not near the theologian he was. And is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I see your Dominican and raise you a Marian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDQGnB0xm_g Oh, and.... That's from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. You might know him better as the Vicar of Christ, Pope Benedict XVI. I like this, reminds me when of what a christian rapper i listened to said(sorry can't remember which rapper.), " if the whole community eats poisonous cake, are you going to eat it because it tastes great." Thanks for this post Dr.Bombay God bless. Jesus is Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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