Milwaukee Scandal

[HisChildForever]

Link here.

 

Roman Catholic Church officials in Milwaukee vigorously shielded pedophile priests and protected church funds from lawsuits during a decades-long sex abuse scandal, according to hundreds of documents released on Monday.

The documents include letters and deposition testimony from Cardinal and Archbishop of New York Timothy Dolan who, during his time as archbishop of Milwaukee from 2002 to 2009, appealed to Vatican on numerous occasions to help address the ongoing fallout from the scandal.

The 6,000 pages of documents related to eight decades of abuse cases showed in great detail the Milwaukee archdiocese regularly reassigned priests who were accused of sexual molestation to new parishes and Dolan himself asking the Vatican permission to transfer $57 million to a trust fund to protect it against court action.

[Nihil Obstat]

How surprising.

[Apotheoun]

How surprising.

Ah yes, the diocese headed for many years by Rambling Weak-mind.

[Basilisa Marie]

My grandfather was the lead detective in one of the cases in his hometown back in the 80s.  Reading his name on the police reports for one of the former priests was surreal.  But now my grandparents' reservations about my dad marrying a Catholic are suddenly easier to understand.  

[Apotheoun]

My grandfather was the lead detective in one of the cases in his hometown back in the 80s.  Reading his name on the police reports for one of the former priests was surreal.  But now my grandparents' reservations about my dad marrying a Catholic are suddenly easier to understand.  

So your grandparents believed in collective guilt / guilt by association? Interesting. Even my anti-Catholic family members did not think that way. They opposed certain Catholic doctrines, but they seemed to recognize that there were good and bad people in every Church.

[Basilisa Marie]

So your grandparents believed in collective guilt / guilt by association? Interesting. Even my anti-Catholic family members did not think that way. They opposed certain Catholic doctrines, but they seemed to recognize that there were good and bad people in every Church.

 

No, not collective guilt.  Just that my grandfather knew the gory details of a particular case through interviewing the victim and the former priest, and knew that the archdiocese put a lot of pressure on the DA to settle out of court, and that the former priest was shuffled around to another church.  They're perfectly lovely to my mom and happy that I study Catholic theology. They also knew that my dad would have to raise us kids Catholic, and they had some reservations about their grandkids being associate with a religious group whose hierarchy seemed pretty corrupt, at least the local ones.  I had thought it was just normal "ew Catholics are icky" stuff, but now it seems to me like there was a little more to it.  

[GeorgiiMichael]

So your grandparents believed in collective guilt / guilt by association? Interesting. Even my anti-Catholic family members did not think that way. They opposed certain Catholic doctrines, but they seemed to recognize that there were good and bad people in every Church.

 

This was a really asinine and downright rude thing to say that was quite clearly phrased to garner a personal attack. It begs the question, and isn't worthy of a person claiming the title "Church Scholar Emeritus". 

 

I think Basilia deserves an apology from you. 

[Apotheoun]

This was a really asinine and downright rude thing to say that was quite clearly phrased to garner a personal attack. It begs the question, and isn't worthy of a person claiming the title "Church Scholar Emeritus". 

 

I think Basilia deserves an apology from you. 

Grow up. I merely pointed out the stupidity of her grandparents position. I said nothing about Basilia personally. No apology is necessary.

[Apotheoun]

No, not collective guilt.  Just that my grandfather knew the gory details of a particular case through interviewing the victim and the former priest, and knew that the archdiocese put a lot of pressure on the DA to settle out of court, and that the former priest was shuffled around to another church.  They're perfectly lovely to my mom and happy that I study Catholic theology. They also knew that my dad would have to raise us kids Catholic, and they had some reservations about their grandkids being associate with a religious group whose hierarchy seemed pretty corrupt, at least the local ones.  I had thought it was just normal "ew Catholics are icky" stuff, but now it seems to me like there was a little more to it.  

So they knew about the details of a particular case, but it is still idiotic to apply that case across the board to every Catholic. My dad did not like Catholicism, and was not pleased when I converted to the Catholic Church in the late 1980s (although his views changed over the years prior to his death), but his problems were based on doctrines he disagreed with and not with the immoral actions of particular Catholics.

[Apotheoun]

They're perfectly lovely to my mom and happy that I study Catholic theology. They also knew that my dad would have to raise us kids Catholic, and they had some reservations about their grandkids being associate with a religious group whose hierarchy seemed pretty corrupt, at least the local ones.  I had thought it was just normal "ew Catholics are icky" stuff, but now it seems to me like there was a little more to it.  

I am happy that they treat your mother well, and that attitude seems appropriate seeing that your mother had no connection to the particular case of abuse that they were familiar with, and was utterly innocent of any wrong doing.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

This was a really asinine and downright rude thing to say that was quite clearly phrased to garner a personal attack. It begs the question, and isn't worthy of a person claiming the title "Church Scholar Emeritus". 

You may not like it, but there are people out there who want to say that every Catholic (or at least every Catholic priest) is a pedophile, and that kind of attitude is completely irrational. Are there pedophile priests? Sure there are, and we know that because evidence has been presented against certain men, and some have been convicted of that crime, but to hold that the entire Catholic Church or priesthood is somehow implicated in that crime is foolish. 

Edited July 2, 2013 by Apotheoun

[Basilisa Marie]

I literally just told you that I had thought it was only doctrinal issues or general "ew Catholics, gross" type of feelings, but now I know that my grandfather had first hand knowledge of not only one of the cases, but also is quoted in a newspaper article saying that the archdiocese was putting a lot of pressure on the DA to not prosecute.  I had known that he was a detective and worked with abused kids, but I didn't know he was the lead investigator for a case involving a local priest.  If I were in his shoes, I'd be concerned about my grandkids being raised in a church that tolerates that kind of behavior among it's hierarchy, particularly because Catholics can't vote out their leaders like Lutherans can.  

 

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't call them idiots or imply that they're worse than your family.  These aren't just random Lutherans you're talking about, they're my family.  I thought your response was weirdly pointed and offensive, but I ignored that, thinking it was just a misunderstanding, so I clarified.  But your responses to my reply are telling me that it isn't just a case of simple misunderstanding.  It doesn't look like you're interested in hearing my point of view of what's going on with my own family.  It looks like you're more interested in making your own assumptions and rash judgments about what you think is going on.  

 

So can you not do that?  Thanks.  

Edited July 2, 2013 by Basilisa Marie

[BG45]

Actually I would appreciate if things could be communicated a bit less condescendingly as well.  We've had pholks leave the phorum before due to condescension of their family.

[GeorgiiMichael]

Grow up. I merely pointed out the stupidity of her grandparents position. I said nothing about Basilia personally. No apology is necessary.

 

Insulting a person's family is as good as insulting the person. You jumped to conclusions about her family. You clearly take issue with her expressing opinions that you don't think are "Catholic enough" as you've made needling her a regular thing in threads where she posts. Pointing out your rudeness does not garner needing to "grow up", but being a jerk and targeting a particular user does indicate such a need.

 

You may not like it, but there are people out there who want to say that every Catholic (or at least every Catholic priest) is a pedophile, and that kind of attitude is completely irrational. Are there pedophile priests? Sure there are, and we know that because evidence has been presented against certain men, and some have been convicted of that crime, but to hold that the entire Catholic Church or priesthood is somehow implicated in that crime is foolish. 

 

Did I say I didn't know that? You continue to jump to conclusions that have not basis in posts. You're preaching to the choir, and being a jerk about it. 

 

So grow up. Do the adult thing and apologize for being a jerk. And stop unjustly targeting Basilia. 

[Era Might]

There's nothing stupid about her grandparents' hesitancy and concern. That's why Christ told his disciples it were better to have a millstone  hung around their neck than to give scandal. The corruption of one member of the body of Christ is shared by all, just as the holiness of one shared by all.

Edited July 3, 2013 by Era Might