Sspx Done With Talks With The Vatican

[Lil Red]

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/traditionalists-announce-definitive-break-with-catholic-church/

 

On the 25th anniversary of the illicit ordination of four bishops by traditionalist Bishop Marcel Lefebvre, the Society of Saint Pius X indicated a definitive break of talks with the Catholic Church.

 

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The Lefebvrist bishops save their harshest criticism to the Novus Ordo Mass, promulgated in 1969 by Pope Paul VI. “This Mass is penetrated with an ecumenical and Protestant spirit, democratic and humanist, which empties out the sacrifice of the Cross.”

The traditionalist bishops announce that, in practice, the dialogue with the Vatican is over and that from now on, they will wait “either when Rome returns to Tradition and to the Faith of all time – which would re-establish order in the Church.”

Or, “when she explicitly acknowledges our right to profess integrally the Faith and to reject the errors which oppose it, with the right and the duty for us to oppose publicly the errors and the proponents of these errors, whoever they may be – which would allow the beginning of a re-establishing of order.”

Meanwhile “we persevere in the defense of Catholic Tradition and our hope remains entire,” the statement concludes.

 

[dUSt]

Well, I guess this settles it then.

 

They have officially taken over the Anglicans to become the most Catholic Protestants.

[franciscanheart]

Well, I guess this settles it then.

They have officially taken over the Anglicans to become the most Catholic Protestants.

:ohno:

[CatherineM]

Kick to the curb.

[KnightofChrist]

The title is misleading, they have not stated they are done with talks with the Vatican.

Until the Church states they are in actual schism or protestant, they are still Catholic as the Church currently believes.

[Slappo]

The title is misleading, they have not stated they are done with talks with the Vatican.

Until the Church states they are in actual schism or protestant, they are still Catholic as the Church currently believes.

 

Either way that type of talk is a clear indicator that they are not interested in budging or meeting halfway.

[Basilisa Marie]

If Benedict couldn't get them fully back and integrated with the rest of the Church, I don't think anyone else can.  

[ToJesusMyHeart]

I sympathize with them.

[PhuturePriest]

I sympathize with them.

 

I understand their argument. However, I don't like their "More Catholic than the Pope" attitude. This is a matter of pride, really. They are too proud to bow down to the Pope, and they will only come in full communion if the Pope obeys them, and not the other way around. Humility goes a very long way, and I'm afraid it appears they are lacking in it.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

I understand their argument. However, I don't like their "More Catholic than the Pope" attitude. This is a matter of pride, really. They are too proud to bow down to the Pope, and they will only come in full communion if the Pope obeys them, and not the other way around. Humility goes a very long way, and I'm afraid it appears they are lacking in it.

 

I still sympathize.

[Basilisa Marie]

Yeah, I sympathize, because there are a lot of deep wounds here.  Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani and Cardinal Josef Frings got into a nasty argument during a session at Vatican II, and Archbishop Lefebvre was a close friend and colleague of Ottaviani, while Benedict had been Frings' personal assistant during the council.  If anyone understood the breadth and depth of the problem with the SSPX, it was Benedict.  I wonder if he ever regretted his part as a young theologian in the heated conservative/progressive arguments during the council, if he would have taken a more moderate approach if he could have done it again, or if he wouldn't have changed anything.  

I haven't seen anything from the SSPX that indicates that they're willing to compromise on anything (is there any?).  While I think the SSPX can offer the faithful an incredibly important way to practice traditional Catholic spirituality, not just with the Extraordinary Form, right now the SSPX is also fostering a sense of superiority to the hierarchy among the faithful, and it's dangerous.  I'm not sure how it's any better than people who refuse to acknowledge the authority of the pope on "liberal" issues.  At least groups like FSSP are able to provide the faithful with ways to celebrate traditional Catholicism without being combative with the Vatican.  

[EmilyAnn]

Yeah, I sympathize, because there are a lot of deep wounds here.  Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani and Cardinal Josef Frings got into a nasty argument during a session at Vatican II, and Archbishop Lefebvre was a close friend and colleague of Ottaviani, while Benedict had been Frings' personal assistant during the council.  If anyone understood the breadth and depth of the problem with the SSPX, it was Benedict.  I wonder if he ever regretted his part as a young theologian in the heated conservative/progressive arguments during the council, if he would have taken a more moderate approach if he could have done it again, or if he wouldn't have changed anything.  

I haven't seen anything from the SSPX that indicates that they're willing to compromise on anything (is there any?).  While I think the SSPX can offer the faithful an incredibly important way to practice traditional Catholic spirituality, not just with the Extraordinary Form, right now the SSPX is also fostering a sense of superiority to the hierarchy among the faithful, and it's dangerous.  I'm not sure how it's any better than people who refuse to acknowledge the authority of the pope on "liberal" issues.  At least groups like FSSP are able to provide the faithful with ways to celebrate traditional Catholicism without being combative with the Vatican.  

 

Props. 

[PhuturePriest]

Yeah, I sympathize, because there are a lot of deep wounds here.  Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani and Cardinal Josef Frings got into a nasty argument during a session at Vatican II, and Archbishop Lefebvre was a close friend and colleague of Ottaviani, while Benedict had been Frings' personal assistant during the council.  If anyone understood the breadth and depth of the problem with the SSPX, it was Benedict.  I wonder if he ever regretted his part as a young theologian in the heated conservative/progressive arguments during the council, if he would have taken a more moderate approach if he could have done it again, or if he wouldn't have changed anything.  

I haven't seen anything from the SSPX that indicates that they're willing to compromise on anything (is there any?).  While I think the SSPX can offer the faithful an incredibly important way to practice traditional Catholic spirituality, not just with the Extraordinary Form, right now the SSPX is also fostering a sense of superiority to the hierarchy among the faithful, and it's dangerous.  I'm not sure how it's any better than people who refuse to acknowledge the authority of the pope on "liberal" issues.  At least groups like FSSP are able to provide the faithful with ways to celebrate traditional Catholicism without being combative with the Vatican.  

 

I love Cardinal Alfredo simply because his name is Cardinal Alfredo.

[Vincent Vega]

I still sympathize.

[Amppax]

I still sympathize.

I've missed you so much.