Realtalk Doma Thread

[Lil Red]

Possibly, but I don't think it's necessarily going along with civil marriage licences that is the problem, I think it's the emphasis on those civil requirements over canonical ones that are the problem. 

 

yeah! that's what i meant. LOL.

Edited June 27, 2013 by Lil Red

[Lil Red]

Possibly, but I don't think it's necessarily going along with civil marriage licences that is the problem, I think it's the emphasis on those civil requirements over canonical ones that are the problem.  Sacramental marriage and civil marriage are two very different things, and I don't think people really appreciate the difference.  I mean, so many people believe an annulment is just Catholic divorce.  We're allowed civil and sacramental marriage to become basically the same thing in the eyes of the community.  I think if we had a better appreciation of the difference, it would change the way we talk about gay marriage issues.  That is, it would clarify the reasons why we think gay marriage is wrong (many pointed out in the article Br. Adam posted, including the perceived interchagibility of mothers and fathers, etc), and people would better understand why we're against it.  It'd destroy the "but it doesn't have anything to do with YOUR marriage!" argument.  To me, the most compelling arguments against gay marriage aren't ones that talk about the civil reasons (I agree with Kennedy's interpretation of the Constitution, it's a state issue and not a federal one, thus part of DOMA doesn't work), but the ones that talk about mothers and fathers.  

I think the biggest problem is that society has such a wildly different understanding of what marriage is, and what motherhood and fatherhood are, that we're talking past each other.  Because we think sacramental marriage is different from civil marriage, any argument on those grounds devolves into a "why do you even care?" position.  The better answer (to me) has to do with gay marriage making motherhood and fatherhood both the same and irrelevant.  

 

and good post. ;) 

[Dr. Bombay]

I was sure you were joking in the first paragraph, but I became less certain at the end.

 

 

Three things I never joke about are boxcars, ovens and black vestments.  And fanatical loyalty to the Pope...among the things I never joke about, and etc....

 

One thing liberals will not tolerate is dissent.  Hitler was a liberal, as was his buddy Uncle Joe and their brother in arms FDR.  The two guys with facial hair just happened to be liberals who used brute force to impose their will, while FDR used a more subtle and long term implementation method.  Results were the same however, as we can now all too plainly see.