My Response To The Recent Gay Marriage Decision In The Supreme Court

[franciscanheart]

One of my favorite definitions for love comes from Pope John Paul II's theology of the body: "The communion of persons means existing in relationship of mutual gift."  And in the words of Cardinal Christopher Schonborn, we ought to "respect long-term, committed relationships between people of the same gender."   :hardhead:

Love that. :like:

[Apotheoun]

I would never use "New Ways Ministry" as a source, because it has never been faithful to the Church's teaching on homosexuality. After all, it was founded by two people who have been sanctioned by the CDF for their views on the homosexual condition.

 

Is it troubling that Cardinal Schonborn wants to "respect" relationships that are contrary to the natural moral law? Yes, it is, just as his stated goal of allowing divorced Catholics to remarry in the Church is disturbing.

 

A Catholic cannot respect something contrary to God's will and remain a faithful Catholic at the same time.

Edited June 27, 2013 by Apotheoun

[dUSt]

I have no idea why all this sexual talk keeps coming up in my spooning thread.

[dUSt]

I guess we cannot be surprised of DOMA decision or the overall acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, especially since even the Catholics think it is a joke. Sad because we should be changing the world- not the other way around. 

 

Call me a Puritan, prude, or whatever. I am just so heartbroken... for you, for our nation, and for those with SSA whole are truly frighting a noble fight to live a chaste life in a world saturated with the homosexual lifestyle... and why fight it? It's not a big deal, even within the Church.  

 

The homosexual lifestyle maybe a joke, I can assure our enemy is laughing right now. As a Church we have become desensitized and numb to the sad reality of sin.  Imagine if there was an Catholic forum 50 years ago, how would this topic been addressed then.  

 

I do not think the homosexual lifestyle is a joke. It is a serious sin, and we should be doing what we can to discourage it and convert sinners. 

 

That is not the issue here. The issue is "how"? Let me know your strategy for fighting this sin. Condemnation? Complete rejection of anything "gay"? Why is your method for battling this sin better than mine? Why do you consider my method of using humor the wrong method?

 

I have never converted an enemy, but I have converted many friends.

 

Who is our enemy you speak of? The devil? I don't think he's laughing at my picture. I think he see's a man who welcomes all people, dedicates uncountable hours to an unpaid ministry, and willing to use his God given talents and dysfunctional personality to convert the world in the best way he knows how--and I think the devil is very afraid. As he should be.

 

I respect your opinion, and admire your faith, but please try not to condemn mine.

[Lil Red]

I do not think the homosexual lifestyle is a joke. It is a serious sin, and we should be doing what we can to discourage it and convert sinners. 

 

That is not the issue here. The issue is "how"? Let me know your strategy for fighting this sin. Condemnation? Complete rejection of anything "gay"? Why is your method for battling this sin better than mine? Why do you consider my method of using humor the wrong method?

 

I have never converted an enemy, but I have converted many friends.

 

Who is our enemy you speak of? The devil? I don't think he's laughing at my picture. I think he see's a man who welcomes all people, dedicates uncountable hours to an unpaid ministry, and willing to use his God given talents and dysfunctional personality to convert the world in the best way he knows how--and I think the devil is very afraid. As he should be.

 

I respect your opinion, and admire your faith, but please try not to condemn mine.

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i :love: you dUSt. :love: props. 

[EmilyAnn]

I do not think the homosexual lifestyle is a joke. It is a serious sin, and we should be doing what we can to discourage it and convert sinners. 

 

That is not the issue here. The issue is "how"? Let me know your strategy for fighting this sin. Condemnation? Complete rejection of anything "gay"? Why is your method for battling this sin better than mine? Why do you consider my method of using humor the wrong method?

 

I have never converted an enemy, but I have converted many friends.

 

Who is our enemy you speak of? The devil? I don't think he's laughing at my picture. I think he see's a man who welcomes all people, dedicates uncountable hours to an unpaid ministry, and willing to use his God given talents and dysfunctional personality to convert the world in the best way he knows how--and I think the devil is very afraid. As he should be.

 

I respect your opinion, and admire your faith, but please try not to condemn mine.

 

Props. 

[CrossCuT]

I do not think the homosexual lifestyle is a joke. It is a serious sin, and we should be doing what we can to discourage it and convert sinners. 

 

That is not the issue here. The issue is "how"? Let me know your strategy for fighting this sin. Condemnation? Complete rejection of anything "gay"? Why is your method for battling this sin better than mine? Why do you consider my method of using humor the wrong method?

 

I have never converted an enemy, but I have converted many friends.

 

Who is our enemy you speak of? The devil? I don't think he's laughing at my picture. I think he see's a man who welcomes all people, dedicates uncountable hours to an unpaid ministry, and willing to use his God given talents and dysfunctional personality to convert the world in the best way he knows how--and I think the devil is very afraid. As he should be.

 

I respect your opinion, and admire your faith, but please try not to condemn mine.

I think this is key.

As Catholics, I believe our intentions are good, but we are not going about it in a very good way...intentionally or not.

All I see is rejection, condemnation etc...thats not what the true meaning of what Catholics should be about.

 

I was at my brothers graduation party and speaking with some long time family friends. They were older women, good Catholics, and I very much respect them and enjoy their company.

One of them is a nurse and was discussing how she had a patient who was a transexual. She and the other staff were told they had to address the man by his new female name.

The women I was sitting with all sneered at the idea. They spoke about how "messed up those people are". I was very hurt by what they were saying.

Is that what we want to act like as Catholics? :(

 

I dont.

Edited June 27, 2013 by CrossCuT

[Apotheoun]

I agree that compassion should be shown to the those afflicted with homosexual desires, but true compassion never involves approving of disordered passions or of the sins committed by those who suffer from them. Clearly we live in trying times, because whole segments of our society are approving of behaviors that are destructive of individuals and families. In the face of that false compassion and the talk of "equal rights" (and it is important to remember that there is no right to error and sin), the Church, and her members, must be compassionate, but there can be no compromise with evil and sin, and so we must always speak the truth. In fact, if Catholics do not speak the truth about man as revealed in the incarnation, who will?

[dUSt]

And for the record, I'm with Apo on the Cardinal Schonborn quote. I think he needs to be reigned in a bit.

[KnightofChrist]

Yesterday was a somber and dark day for our nation. The unjust ruling was yet another dagger in the heart of our Christian society, which if not dead now, it is clearly dying and slipping away fast. The ruling was also another strike against or more stones thrown at the bride of Christ. Because she clearly condemns the unions this court and this nation has now blessed, and she teaches us we have a duty not only to convert souls to Christ but society as well, which our nation is more and more rejecting.

 

Life at times must be taken seriously. The court has yet again blessed a sin that cries up to God for justice. With all due respect I doubt He responded with humor or took it lightly. It is far more likely that He weeped bitter tears of sorrow and holds a just anger. Yes, our God is a loving, yes He has great understanding, and yes He is has great patience. But there will come a day when His patience runs out, the day will come when He will not continue to bless a nation that openly defies Him and gives itself over to the father of sin. We must follow the example of Abraham as he was praying for Sodom. We must pray most fervently on behalf of our nation for Him to have mercy upon us, and we as a nation must repent and beg God’s forgiveness for our sins.

 

We are to be the light of the world, to reflect the light of Christ in a world of darkness. We must not forget that we are at war and whom we are at war with. We must take up arms as Church Militants against the attacks of the devil rather take them lightly, and those arms are our strong Catholic voices, our Rosaries, Divine Mercy Chaplets, and other such forms of prayer. Because one day we will stand before the King of the Universe and He will want to know how we responded to the attacks of Satan, did we take them seriously, or did we make light of them, did we recognize the grave issues at hand or did we ignore them and make merry.

 

The Phatmass Community, the phamily, it’s phounder, its mod(s), and all its members are a good and honorable group. We are blessed to have this oasis in a wasteland of the Internet. It has helped bring souls to Christ, helps souls give and sacrifice their lives to religious vocations, helped bring souls together in marriage, and has helped make good friendships that likewise would have never existed. I thank God for Phatmass, and I love that it has given me the chance to pray for everyone who belongs to it. But I fear that over the years we have perhaps lost some of our objectivity, our seriousness. I fear we have adopted the motto “Why so serious?” and forgotten on some level that we are at war against principalities and powers of wickedness and darkness who seek the ruin of souls. We mock, bully, troll, and dismiss those that take serious issues seriously far too much.

 

Humor or fun and games certainly have their place in life, but it’s ok to take life seriously. It may well be when the Blessed Lord returns that the world will not end with a bang but a whimper. The world may well go merrily, happily and humorously along up and until the very end. As Christ states in Luke 17

 

“As it came to pass in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat and drink, they married wives, and were given in marriage, and until the day that Noah entered into the ark: and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise as it came to pass, in the days of Lot: they did eat and drink, they bought and sold, they planted and built. And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man shall be revealed.”

 

Yesterday was a day we should have heard from our well-grounded, moral, Catholic voices. Rather than having the Lame board invade Open Mic. What if the next time this nation or this world blesses some grave sin God hates is the last straw? What if the last thing we are found doing is making light or joking of that blessing of sin that God hates?

 

/My Serious Response To The Recent Gay Marriage Decision In The Supreme Court

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dUSt]

 

I thank God for Phatmass, and I love that it has given me the chance to pray for everyone who belongs to it. But I fear that over the years we have perhaps lost some of our objectivity, our seriousness. I fear we have adopted the motto “Why so serious?” and forgotten on some level that we are at war against principalities and powers of wickedness and darkness who seek the ruin of souls. We mock, bully, troll, and dismiss those that take serious issues seriously far too much.

 

 

Totally agree.

[KnightofChrist]

I do not think the homosexual lifestyle is a joke. It is a serious sin, and we should be doing what we can to discourage it and convert sinners. 

 

That is not the issue here. The issue is "how"? Let me know your strategy for fighting this sin. Condemnation? Complete rejection of anything "gay"? Why is your method for battling this sin better than mine? Why do you consider my method of using humor the wrong method?

 

I have never converted an enemy, but I have converted many friends.

 

Who is our enemy you speak of? The devil? I don't think he's laughing at my picture. I think he see's a man who welcomes all people, dedicates uncountable hours to an unpaid ministry, and willing to use his God given talents and dysfunctional personality to convert the world in the best way he knows how--and I think the devil is very afraid. As he should be.

 

I respect your opinion, and admire your faith, but please try not to condemn mine.

 

I do not believe she has condemned your faith, nor have I for that matter, my issue is with an action, and I believe that that is her issue as well. I have the utmost respect and honor for you, Sir, and this site you run but I  do not like the joke, I'm sorry and I would have liked you to have had a better and more serious response to one of the darkest days for Christian society, and morality and for our nation.

Edited June 27, 2013 by KnightofChrist

[Lil Red]

 

The women I was sitting with all sneered at the idea. They spoke about how "messed up those people are". I was very hurt by what they were saying.

Is that what we want to act like as Catholics? :(

 

I dont.

 

:( 

[IcePrincessKRS]

I do not think the homosexual lifestyle is a joke. It is a serious sin, and we should be doing what we can to discourage it and convert sinners. 

 

That is not the issue here. The issue is "how"? Let me know your strategy for fighting this sin. Condemnation? Complete rejection of anything "gay"? Why is your method for battling this sin better than mine? Why do you consider my method of using humor the wrong method?

 

I have never converted an enemy, but I have converted many friends.

 

Who is our enemy you speak of? The devil? I don't think he's laughing at my picture. I think he see's a man who welcomes all people, dedicates uncountable hours to an unpaid ministry, and willing to use his God given talents and dysfunctional personality to convert the world in the best way he knows how--and I think the devil is very afraid. As he should be.

 

I respect your opinion, and admire your faith, but please try not to condemn mine.

You're my favorite.

[dUSt]

I have the utmost respect and honor for you, Sir, and this site you run but I  do not like the joke, I'm sorry and I would have liked you to have had a better and more serious response to one of the darkest days for Christian society, and morality and for our nation.

 

I am sure you would not have liked the many jokes me and my family told in the aftermath of my uncle committing suicide either, which was one of the darkest days for my family. Again, I respect your view, but people are strange creatures. You can not evangelize the world with a single type of behavior.