add Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 June 24, 2013 Pope Francis was a no-show by at a concert where he was to have been the guest of honor. Since his election on March 13, Francis, the former cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of Agentina, has not spent a single night in the opulent and spacious papal apartments. He has preferred to live in a small suite in a busy Vatican guest house, where he takes most meals in a communal dining room and says Mass every morning in the house chapel rather than the private papal chapel in the Apostolic Palace. The day before the concert, Pope Francis said bishops should be "close to the people" and not have "the mentality of a prince". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 He is definitely my kind of Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) The way I was raised, I was taught that skipping out on a prior commitment at the last minute was an ungracious thing to do, and very inconsiderate of all the people who were expecting me. The only possible excuse for such behavior was an emergency, which in this case the Pope's spokesman said there was and apologized for it. The media thinks there was no emergency, rather the Pope was deliberately rude and disappointed so many hardworking people just to send a political message, that message being that since poor people can't appreciate Beethoven neither should bishops. And the media goes on to say that this supposed behavior is praiseworthy and should be applauded. The Pope is a Christian and a gentleman and would never dispose of people that way. But the media does not know the definition of the words "Christian" or "gentleman." Anyone who is buying the media presentation of this episode and joining in on their characterization of it as a show of humility, I'm sorry, but that is bad manners. Edited June 25, 2013 by Lilllabettt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I agree about skipping out on commitments, but I doubt that he made this commitment. My husband has a bad habit of making appointments for me without consulting me. I feel no guilt if I do not comply. If it embarrasses him or inconviences him, that is an appropriate consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I agree about skipping out on commitments, but I doubt that he made this commitment. My husband has a bad habit of making appointments for me without consulting me. I feel no guilt if I do not comply. If it embarrasses him or inconviences him, that is an appropriate consequence. Actually, he did make it ... when Papa took the reigns he confirmed or cancelled the dates that were coming on the calendar. This concert was part of the Year of Faith celebrations and it was confirmed. Embarrassing a cardinal is one thing, but disappointing all of those musicians is another. It takes a great deal of trouble to get ready for a performance like that. The Pope knows better than anyone that you have to consider the little people when you make a decision, and that certainly people count more than politics. So I feel confident saying he wouldn't do this to "send a message." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Pontiff is a prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Pontiff is a prince. This Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Actually, he did make it ... when Papa took the reigns he confirmed or cancelled the dates that were coming on the calendar. This concert was part of the Year of Faith celebrations and it was confirmed. Embarrassing a cardinal is one thing, but disappointing all of those musicians is another. It takes a great deal of trouble to get ready for a performance like that. The Pope knows better than anyone that you have to consider the little people when you make a decision, and that certainly people count more than politics. So I feel confident saying he wouldn't do this to "send a message." I certainly hope one would not skip an event like that one simply in order to 'send a message', because it is a rather poor message. I would like to think that it was some sort of mistake, or something quite important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The way I was raised, I was taught that skipping out on a prior commitment at the last minute was an ungracious thing to do, and very inconsiderate of all the people who were expecting me. The only possible excuse for such behavior was an emergency, which in this case the Pope's spokesman said there was and apologized for it. The media thinks there was no emergency, rather the Pope was deliberately rude and disappointed so many hardworking people just to send a political message, that message being that since poor people can't appreciate Beethoven neither should bishops. And the media goes on to say that this supposed behavior is praiseworthy and should be applauded. The Pope is a Christian and a gentleman and would never dispose of people that way. But the media does not know the definition of the words "Christian" or "gentleman." Anyone who is buying the media presentation of this episode and joining in on their characterization of it as a show of humility, I'm sorry, but that is bad manners. Great post. :) Simcha Fischer (whose writing I love) wrote in a similar way about this whole thing: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/simchafisher/2013/06/24/oh-francis-haters-you-sound-very-lovely-when-you-get-played-that-way/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filius_angelorum Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 All that I think can be said is that: (1.) He's the pope, so we should be very circumspect in criticizing him on a personal level. (2.) Music is VERY important, and the role of a properly restored appreciation for music is essential in a renewal of the faith. (3.) Although the bishop of Rome was not at a very important music concert, a very large number of cardinals and bishops were. You have a multitude of good examples to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I don't really care where the pope lives (guest house or papal apartments). That said, he seems like a genuinely nice sort of fellow and I am willing to wait and see how his pontificate unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 Pope tells priests to buy unpretentious things. The pontiff advises that having the latest smartphone, a fancy car or fashion accessory is not the route to happiness. "A car is necessary to do a lot of work, but please, choose a more humble one. If you like the fancy one, just think about how many children are dying of hunger in the world," The ANSA news agency said the pope's car of choice for moving around the walled Vatican City was a compact Ford Focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I have honestly never seen a priest with a fancy car. Is that a thing in Italy, maybe? Or Brazil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I have honestly never seen a priest with a fancy car. Is that a thing in Italy, maybe? Or Brazil? My spiritual director always has fancy Lincolns with video cameras that go out the back so you can look at the screen instead of having to look behind you. I'd never seen cars so fancy before in my life before I met him. They aren't brand new, they're usually from the '80s or '90s. But they are really fancy cars that you wouldn't expect a clergymen to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Which reminds me... You all realize that not everyone is a straight A student right ? Some are straight B's, some B's and C's, some straight C's and some C's and D's, and some straight D's etc etc. A brick layer or a dock hand can love and be loved by Jesus as much as someone who has a uni degree, even though there grammar and spelling isn't that great they can know Jesus' too. Not that it's bad to have a uni degree in whatever including theology, just it isn't strictly knowledge that's going to get you to heaven, understanding the less fortunate may. Onward christian souls. JESUS iz LORD P.s. Sounds like Pope Francis 1 is going to be the working poors Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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