Papist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I think his point is, we should have one big happy school that we all just get along and play nice together. And all controlled by the government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Lol, this is a good question. Maybe it just sounded worse on paper? I can't help but be extremely cynical about politicians nowadays. I think his point is, we should have one big happy school that we all just get along and play nice together. And all controlled by the government He said nothing of making a public school he only mentioned that the two groups had separate Schools and buildings (stores etc.). But he said, "We should see ourselves in one other". As Christians we are called to see Christ in everyone so Obama was not that far from the truth. I would say the Jewish Vs. Muslim is a stretch. It is in the Muslim Religion to kill the infidels so to say they should mix is really dumb and dangerous. But like i said above Christians are called to love not kill so calling intermingling between the in public OR PRIVATE (ooo a novelty) schools would be for the country. P.S. I don't support Obama yet i do not think his the spawn of the devil that only speaks evil. If Obama was not a moron and had terrible policies I think he would be a good leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Frankly I'm surprised people are still willing to give this President the benefit of the doubt. When he or his administration have repeatedly attacked Catholic and Christian institutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashorerock Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I really don't like the guy, but he called to an end of divided schools. He did not say stop Catholic or Protestant schools or their identities. In Ireland it is not safe for a Protestant child to go to a Catholic school and visa versa. Violence is well know in Israel...while it would be good to point schools aren't helping it's a tiny part of the problem. But this is IRELAND for crying out loud. The petty violence needs to end. I'm not saying that he had the best intentions, he probably did not. But the violence in Ireland disgusts me more than the middle east. We're all Christians after all. Jews and Moslems will naturally be at odds as they represent different creeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Frankly I'm surprised people are still willing to give this President the benefit of the doubt. When he or his administration have repeatedly attacked Catholic and Christian institutions. I just don't agree that there must be sinister intent behind the statement in that video. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I just don't agree that there must be sinister intent behind the statement in that video. That's all. However, a precedent exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 However, a precedent exist. A precedent for banning private schools? Embarrassed to say I'm not aware of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A precedent for banning private schools? Embarrassed to say I'm not aware of this.N No. I was referring to the sinister intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) I would say the Jewish Vs. Muslim is a stretch. It is in the Muslim Religion to kill the infidels so to say they should mix is really dumb and dangerous. But like i said above Christians are called to love not kill so calling intermingling between the in public OR PRIVATE (ooo a novelty) schools would be for the country. I wouldn't say it's dangerous for that reason. If I'm not mistaken, the passage(s) you're referring to might not apply in the way you're thinking. A lot of the more extreme verses in the Qur'an apply to pagans or aggressors in battle. However, it's hard to assign a stable interpretation to Islamic holy texts because the Arabic of the Qur'an is pretty vague at times. There are different sects within Islam and various schools of law that Muslims tend to follow. It'd be more accurate to criticize certain sects and schools of law than passages. I think you're right about mixing the students being a dangerous experiment. It has a lot to do with the land dispute, fear of terrorism, and misuse of force from both sides. People from these two groups grow up hating each other. Also, we should be careful not to make this entirely a Jewish v. Muslim issue. There are also Christian Palestinians who aren't very happy about their land being taken away from them. On a side note, am I the only person who's noticed that Israel aims it's propaganda at right wing conservative Christians and Palestinians focus their propaganda machine on Liberals? I went to both liberal and conservative colleges and I was really annoyed by this. Edited June 21, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 No. I was referring to the sinister intent. I suppose I find restraint to be appropriate when it comes to the interpretation of people's intentions - particularly when I'm potentially biased against that person. On this issue I see no evidence that Obama is doing anything to call for an end to private schools, Catholic or otherwise. It's a paranoid misrepresentation of his statement, which is dishonest. "We need to make sure we're respectful... [Obama] is a decent person...he's a decent family man, citizen, that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I just don't agree that there must be sinister intent behind the statement in that video. That's all. Well I just don't agree with that disagreement. :p This to me is just another little jab in a ever growing number of jabs directed at Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) I suppose I find restraint to be appropriate when it comes to the interpretation of people's intentions - particularly when I'm potentially biased against that person. On this issue I see no evidence that Obama is doing anything to call for an end to private schools, Catholic or otherwise. It's a paranoid misrepresentation of his statement, which is dishonest. "We need to make sure we're respectful... [Obama] is a decent person...he's a decent family man, citizen, that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues." I don't know about this decent person. I don't think his intent in the speech was to do away with Catholic/private schools. However, I can see him envisioning one school system for all, which I kinda sensed from the clip. I can't help but think of the common core standards along with this speech. Also, he does not want to do away with Catholic schools. All the big popular ones loveadore him. Edited June 21, 2013 by Papist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I just don't agree that there must be sinister intent behind the statement in that video. That's all. I don't like to attribute motivations to other people - it's hard to know what's going on in other people's heads. On the other hand, especially with public figures, we have to at least try to figure out their patterns of behavior if not motive. I don't necessarily agree that there must be sinister intent behind the statement. But complete lack of understanding is functionally just as bad as sinister intent. The man has NO CLUE who Catholics are, what they think, why they think that, etc. If he knew anything about American history and Catholics, he would know about the Know Nothing movement, the 1847 burning of Catholic churches and convents, the 1848 bishops' reaction (establish separate Catholic schools to prevent the Protestantization of Catholic children in America) , why we get upset about his abortion policies, etc. The fact is, he is clueless. And he's even more clueless - which is to say... what words are stronger than clueless? - absolutely clueless about Catholics in Northern Ireland. Has he ever attend the Protestant marches through the Catholic sections of Belfast? Does he know that the Orangemen dress up in their military finery and parade through the heart of the Catholic ghetto singing - at the top of their lungs - Fuck the Pope? And if that word doesn't make it through the filters, that's the F-Bomb. If you listen to the Clancy Brothers, they call it "Kick the Pope," but the 400-year-old anthem of the Orangemen is F*** tyhe Pope. What would Obama have to say if White people marched through Black ghettoes every year singing F*** Doctor King at the top of their lungs. Would he give such a clueless and namby-pamby "Why Can't We All Just Get Along" speech to the Black residents and try to convince them to send their children to the white schools? He can't solve American social problems. He should buy a vowel and keep his mouth shut about other nations' social problems. Clueless. Absolutely clueless. And therefore as dangerous as a bull in a china shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I don't necessarily agree that there must be sinister intent behind the statement. But complete lack of understanding is functionally just as bad as sinister intent. I don't either, but I think it's a bit naive to completely rule it out after all the moves against Catholicism this President and his administration has taken in the years he's been in office. If this were 2008 or 2009 the lets give hope a chance arguments would have more weight to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Curiousing has a valid point. Although given Obama's history in this country, I could definitely see him trying to shut down Catholic schools. But for crying out loud, isn't this a Catholic forum? Calling the man "pond scum" is pretty low. Aren't we supposed to pray for those who persecute us? Oh, didn't you know? It's not okay to call people names, unless they're public officials that no one likes. Then it's fair game. :hehe2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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