Lil Red Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Are you freaking kidding me... which part? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) So, you're probably talking about something somewhat different than Photosynthesis and I, or at least bring different baggage with it, so we might be talking past one another to a certain extent. Baggage is definitely an issue, at least with me. I'm certain that the reason that I gravitated toward feminism was because of my own anger at my father... or more like a non-father. I never knew what it was like to be protected by a man growing up. My mother was an amazing model of independence and resiliency She was and is a career woman, not by choice but by necessity, and while I harbor no resentment toward her, there were big tradeoffs, and she is the first person to say that she feels like she missed out on enjoying my childhood and all those little moments you don't see when you are sitting at a desk all day. I was told as a young girl (by my mom and by my teachers) that my future was limitless and I can be anything I want to be. When I'm on the playground with my four year old, I am the only one under 30 that is not a nanny. Most of the other moms waited until their late 30's or 40's to start having kids and I'm younger than most of them by over a decade. It's so weird and I feel like a freak most of the time. They tend to look at me like I'm wasting my youth... "Gosh, you're so young," they'll say, with a sad tone of voice. I had my first kid at 25. Most of the women I know who are stay at homes feel guilty about it. I know I feel guilty, because I have a perfectly good college degree and I spend my days baking bread, gardening, and going on adventures with my daughter. But hey, my husband is really good at that whole making money thing and even though he leaves his socks on the floor and doesn't make the bed, I have a sweet deal. I do feel bad for women who are told that they should not go to college, study math or science, or theology, or what have you. There are some brilliant Catholic theologians out there and I do love St. Catherine of Siena, Alice Von Hildebrand, St. Hildegard, etc. These women were not mothers, however. I know it isn't a popular thing to say right now, but when it comes to careers and kids, you cannot have both without a tradeoff somewhere. In the case with working mothers, often children are the ones who absorb some of the pitfalls. There are some great nannies and daycare programs out there. And of course if Grandma and Grandpa (or another trusted relative) help out, well that is a sweet deal, too. And while there are always going to be exceptions and extremes, it is ideal for children to be cared for by their own parents, not in a daycare or with a nanny for 12 hours a day. Maybe i am biased because I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of dropping my child off for such a huge block of time. I plan on encouraging my daughter to do whatever God's will is for her, whether that's law school, religious life, engineering, art school, being a stay @ home mom, etc. I will also encourage her to really think about how she would balance a career and children and encourage her to go into a career where it is possible to work at home. When I was growing up, I was told to follow my dreams and do what I love. "Don't worry about what job you're going to get with that liberal arts major," they'd say, "Just do what you love and everything will fall into place." I never thought to ask myself, "Who is going to watch your children while you're leaning in and living the dream?" Robots will probably take over most human jobs in the future anyway... so who knows what the workplace will look like in 20 years. Hopefully it won't be too frightening. Edited June 21, 2013 by photosynthesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploomf Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 And yet you have a Saint, St Gianna Beretta Molla, who was both a mother and a professional woman, a physician. And yet I doubt anyone would say she didn't put her children first in her life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Zelie Martin, the mother of St.Therese who is being considered for canonization along with her husband Louis, worked as well. She made lace for a living and didn't put her career before her children. Wonder Woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I need feminism because a mans motivations for his educational or professional goals aren't given the third degree like a womans are. Example: see this thread. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 We all need feminism because sexism still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Are you freaking kidding me... Do you have something to say? :hehe2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I need feminism because a mans motivations for his educational or professional goals aren't given the third degree like a womans are. Example: see this thread. :| THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 So basically, girls ROCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Meh, I don't need feminism. Has anyone in here read "The Flipside of Feminism?" I'm curious to hear what Phatmassers who have read it thought about it. For those who don't have the time to read a book like that, you can check out a series of interviews with the authors to get a gist of the book - just click on the May 22, 23 & 24 podcasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWaySoul Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I AM SO HAPPY TO HEAR THAT SO MANY OF Y'ALL ALSO CONSIDER YOURSELVES FEMINISTS! :bounce: New Feminism FTW :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I need feminism because a mans motivations for his educational or professional goals aren't given the third degree like a womans are. Example: see this thread. :| Yep. x100000000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatitude Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I need feminism because of what these young women faced when they set up a feminist society and decided to participate in the 'I Need Feminism Because...' project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Meh, I don't need feminism. Has anyone in here read "The Flipside of Feminism?" I'm curious to hear what Phatmassers who have read it thought about it. For those who don't have the time to read a book like that, you can check out a series of interviews with the authors to get a gist of the book - just click on the May 22, 23 & 24 podcasts No, I haven't, and it looks like a load of New Feminism packaged as anti-feminism. Everyone needs feminism! I'd recommend checking out the links to difference feminism, new feminism, and such in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 I need feminism because of what these young women faced when they set up a feminist society and decided to participate in the 'I Need Feminism Because...' project. Thank you for this link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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