PhuturePriest Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 This sounds like a highly artificial distinction to me. I feel obligated to counter-pwn you. The Liturgy is living Tradition. Why yes, yes it is. But if you'll notice, Pope Francis has touches on traditions, not Traditions. And that is no artificial distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 It's painfully obvious that some people in this thread place no importance on being liked. Someone's on fire tonight. :hehe2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Why yes, yes it is. But if you'll notice, Pope Francis has touches on traditions, not Traditions. And that is no artificial distinction. You are shifting goalposts. :| My argument stands. Point: Nihil. Better luck next time, fetus bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Double. Edited June 17, 2013 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Someone's on fire tonight. :hehe2: Shoot, I was wondering what that weird sensation was. What was that junk they taught me in school again? Stop, drop my pants, rock out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 You are shifting goalposts. :| My argument stands. Point: Nihil. Better luck next time, fetus bro. Despite not knowing what you mean, you're wrong. To prove my point, I said "pretty much everything". That implies there are some things he is doing differently, such as the Liturgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Well I, for one, hope that all the Protestants like Pope Francis so much that every single one of them converts and embraces the fullness of Truth that is the Catholic Church. :detective: Amen. Lord let it be so. It would be good for their souls. Edited June 17, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Double post. Edited June 17, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 How much importance should one place on being liked, in your opinion? Being liked should not be one's goal--in other words, one should not make decisions based on being liked. So, to answer your question, 0%. In my opinion, being liked is something that naturally occurs when one is authentic and able to communicate in a way that doesn't repulse people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Sorry I posted the article, :unsure: I just thought it was something positive......"As evangelicals move ahead, I pray we would not be afraid to be led by a servant like Pope Francis. For if we cannot be led by a servant, how can we be led by Jesus?" Don't be. It's a good article. ;) As a former Evangelical and a convert who was not looking to convert at all, I can tell you that "liking" the pope *is* important for evangelicals. Maybe "respecting" is a better word. HSdad and I respected JPII well before we were even interested at all in converting. Now granted, I never heard of anyone converting solely because they liked the pope. :crazy: But as the "face" of Catholicism (and for some people he may be the first practicing Catholic some evangelicals encounter! Even those who are former Catholics!) he can do a lot to attract or deter someone to or from the Church. In that way, the pope is like each of us. Hopefully we are all good Christian examples to our Evangelical brothers and sisters. We should all want our Christian witness to be attractive to others. No, no one will be converted solely because of us, or our pope, but they should be able to see Christ in us enough to look further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Sorry I posted the article, :unsure: I just thought it was something positive......"As evangelicals move ahead, I pray we would not be afraid to be led by a servant like Pope Francis. For if we cannot be led by a servant, how can we be led by Jesus?" Don't be. It's a good article. ;) As a former Evangelical and a convert who was not looking to convert at all, I can tell you that "liking" the pope *is* important for evangelicals. Maybe "respecting" is a better word. HSdad and I respected JPII well before we were even interested at all in converting. Now granted, I never heard of anyone converting solely because they liked the pope. :crazy: But as the "face" of Catholicism (and for some people he may be the first practicing Catholic some evangelicals encounter! Even those who are former Catholics!) he can do a lot to attract or deter someone to or from the Church. In that way, the pope is like each of us. Hopefully we are all good Christian examples to our Evangelical brothers and sisters. We should all want our Christian witness to be attractive to others. No, no one will be converted solely because of us, or our pope, but they should be able to see Christ in us enough to look further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 For some people, the Pope is never Catholic enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Why yes, yes it is. But if you'll notice, Pope Francis has touches on traditions, not Traditions. And that is no artificial distinction. As I said in a post some time ago: The distinction between 'tradition' and 'Tradition' is a modern Western distinction, and one that I do not accept. I hold to the Patristic distinction between Kerygma and Dogma enunciated by St. Basil the Great in his writings. Kerygma is the doctrine of the faith as found in written Tradition and the teaching of the Church Fathers, while Dogma is the unwritten practices of the Church, the liturgy, the holy mysteries, the sacred signs and actions, and the theological meanings inherent to the Church's worship and doctrine. Outsiders were - according to St. Basil - allowed to know the Kerygma, but only the fully initiated were allowed to know the Dogma of the Church. Moreover, this distinction does not involve the false notion that some of these things come from man alone and can be dispensed with at will. Both the Kerygma and the Dogma of the Church come from Christ, and they are to be faithfully kept by all, both clergy and lay faithful alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 As I said in a post some time ago: The distinction between 'tradition' and 'Tradition' is a modern Western distinction, and one that I do not accept. I hold to the Patristic distinction between Kerygma and Dogma enunciated by St. Basil the Great in his writings. Kerygma is the doctrine of the faith as found in written Tradition and the teaching of the Church Fathers, while Dogma is the unwritten practices of the Church, the liturgy, the holy mysteries, the sacred signs and actions, and the theological meanings inherent to the Church's worship and doctrine. Outsiders were - according to St. Basil - allowed to know the Kerygma, but only the fully initiated were allowed to know the Dogma of the Church. Moreover, this distinction does not involve the false notion that some of these things come from man alone and can be dispensed with at will. Both the Kerygma and the Dogma of the Church come from Christ, and they are to be faithfully kept by all, both clergy and lay faithful alike. Fascinating, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Being liked should not be one's goal--in other words, one should not make decisions based on being liked. So, to answer your question, 0%. In my opinion, being liked is something that naturally occurs when one is authentic and able to communicate in a way that doesn't repulse people. Sometimes (e.g., the case of Fr. Maciel) people are liked for a long time who end up being quite inauthentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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