Apotheoun Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Well, I don't know of many Protestants who became Catholic while disliking the pope, so your logic seems rather absurd. Pope John Paul II had no impact upon my decision to convert from Protestantism to Catholicism back in the late 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Catholicism is way more than just the Pope but rather all of the Apostolic tradition. Edited June 16, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Pope John Paul II had no impact upon my decision to convert from Protestantism to Catholicism back in the late 1980s. Not everyone converts the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Not everyone converts the same way. Those who like the pope must still finish the journey. We should pray for them. Evangelicals and other heretics need all the prayer they can get. Edited June 16, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Not everyone converts the same way. Did I say that everyone's conversion was identical to my own? Be that as it may, to convert to Catholicism because you like a specific pope is very superficial indeed. What do you do when that pope dies, convert to some other Church or religion? Popes come and go, but Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is His body and participates in the same unchanging eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Popes come and go, but Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is His body and participates in the same unchanging eternity. Preach it, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Did I say that everyone's conversion was identical to my own? Be that as it may, to convert to Catholicism because you like a specific pope is very superficial indeed. What do you do when that pope dies, convert to some other Church or religion? Popes come and go, but Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is His body and participates in the same unchanging eternity. Liking the pope can be the thing that get people to give Catholicism a second look. Reading up on John Paul II and Benedict XVI was very instrumental to my dad's conversion to the Catholic Church from being Lutheran. It was one of many things he considered and prayed about. Obviously the pope isn't the only thing involved in someone's conversion. But if someone who has a hard time with the concept of the papacy, liking a pope can do a lot to help people accept all the teachings that go with the papacy. A lot of Protestant groups are very much centered around a charismatic minister. Having our own charismatic minister can help get them in the door, and then we reel them in with the rest of our theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiiMichael Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Dudes, really? Are you really complaining? You know that Pope Francis isn't bowing to Evangelical preferences. He's not trying to win a popularity contest. He's trying to life out the Petrine office in the way he is being called. If Evangelicals like that, are you really flooping complaining? The only thing this post is showing is that Evangelicals are starting to ditch the false trappings of their communities and see the beauty of a man like Francis. And, in their minds, if a POPE can be a good Christian, then maybe so can Catholics, and maybe there's something to this Catholic Church anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Dudes, really? Are you really complaining? You know that Pope Francis isn't bowing to Evangelical preferences. He's not trying to win a popularity contest. He's trying to life out the Petrine office in the way he is being called. If Evangelicals like that, are you really flooping complaining? The only thing this post is showing is that Evangelicals are starting to ditch the false trappings of their communities and see the beauty of a man like Francis. And, in their minds, if a POPE can be a good Christian, then maybe so can Catholics, and maybe there's something to this Catholic Church anyway. We are not complaining that they like Francis or about how Pope Francis is living out his calling, just keeping things in perspective. This is a step, but more needs to be done to bring them to the faith. Perhaps some of us have seen enough crazy fan things and help crazy ideas despite some evidence to the contrary to have a little more skepticism/cynicism than others. Edited June 17, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiiMichael Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 We are not complaining that they like Francis or about how Pope Francis is living out his calling, just keeping things in perspective. This is a step, but more needs to be done to bring them to the faith. Perhaps some of us have seen enough crazy fan things and help crazy ideas despite some evidence to the contrary to have a little more skepticism/cynicism than others. Yeah, because I was totally insinuating that ALL THE EVANGELICALS will convert.... And it doesn't come across as skepticism, it comes across as though you're pissing on Pope Francis as if he's trying to get these people to like him, which isn't the case at all. So reel back the holier-than-thou tone and and glass-half-empty attitude, and enjoy a little bit of optimism for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I think all of us have seen just how damaging a cult of personality can be. We simply have to keep things in perspective. If Evangelicals like Pope Francis, then great. Hopefully they all become Catholic. But they should become Catholic because Catholicism is true. Like I said, perspective. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Dudes, really? Are you really complaining? You know that Pope Francis isn't bowing to Evangelical preferences. He's not trying to win a popularity contest. He's trying to life out the Petrine office in the way he is being called. If Evangelicals like that, are you really flooping complaining? The only thing this post is showing is that Evangelicals are starting to ditch the false trappings of their communities and see the beauty of a man like Francis. And, in their minds, if a POPE can be a good Christian, then maybe so can Catholics, and maybe there's something to this Catholic Church anyway. Yeah, because I was totally insinuating that ALL THE EVANGELICALS will convert.... And it doesn't come across as skepticism, it comes across as though you're pissing on Pope Francis as if he's trying to get these people to like him, which isn't the case at all. So reel back the holier-than-thou tone and and glass-half-empty attitude, and enjoy a little bit of optimism for a change. Dude you get mad about things really quickly. :smile3: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) We are not complaining that they like Francis or about how Pope Francis is living out his calling, just keeping things in perspective. This is a step, but more needs to be done to bring them to the faith. Perhaps some of us have seen enough crazy fan things and help crazy ideas despite some evidence to the contrary to have a little more skepticism/cynicism than others. Cynicism is cancer to your spiritual life. I don't care if you've seen crazy stuff. You choose to let it make you cynical, and cynicism affects spiritual lives in a major way. The Faith is a joyful thing. That's something Pope Francis has reminded me of. If you and others don't let your cynicism in the way, you'll be able to see why we love him so much. But, since we're at this topic again, let me remind you that Pope Francis IS being traditional! He is a religious Priest, not a diocesan one. He is doing every single thing religious Popes do. You just think he's throwing away tradition because we haven't had a Pope who was a religious in hundreds of years. But if you actually look at history, you'll see he's not doing anything different in terms of tradition that the last religious Pope did. Edited June 17, 2013 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 But, since we're at this topic again, let me remind you that Pope Francis IS being traditional! He is a religious Priest, not a diocesan one. He is doing every single thing religious Popes do. You just think he's throwing away tradition because we haven't had a Pope who was a religious in hundreds of years. But if you actually look at history, you'll see he's not doing anything in terms of tradition that the last religious Pope did. Well there is the whole Pauline Missal thing. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Well there is the whole Pauline Missal thing. . . What Pauline missal thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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