Gluttony

[Guest]

Mortal sin right ?

[Papist]

If the conditions are met.

[Gabriela]

If the conditions are met.

 

Can you state the conditions, please, sir?

[Papist]

Can you state the conditions, please, sir?

 

In order for a sin to be mortal, it must meet all three conditions:

1. Mortal sin is a sin of grave matter
2. Mortal sin is committed with full knowledge of the sinner
3. Mortal sin is committed with deliberate consent of the sinner

[PhuturePriest]

If you eat and eat all the time at the expense of your health and if the conditions are met for a mortal sin that Papist posted then yes, it's a mortal sin.

[Lilllabettt]

gluttony is listed among the traditional "deadly" sins. But it doesn't follow that it is always or even usually a mortal sin.  Pride, envy, and sloth are also on the "deadly sin" list, but if every sin of those kinds was mortal we would be in trouble.

[Guest]

Ya I see a lot of fat Catholics...So they should pry hit Confession up...Which is worse gluttony or masturbation ?

Edited June 13, 2013 by Guest

[Anastasia13]

Ya I see a lot of fat Catholics...So they should pry hit Confession up...Which is worse gluttony or masturbation ?

Doesn't much matter. Try not to do either. Confess both.

 

Also, while many may eat too much, don't assume every fat Catholic is guilty of gluttony-there are other reasons that a person can be overweight or have difficulty losing weight after no longer partaking of gluttony.

Edited June 13, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Guest]

Its calories in vs calories out for most people...Its pretty simple to lose weight even without exercising...

Edited June 14, 2013 by Guest

[Era Might]

I think gluttony in the truest sense is more about the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man, ie, an outgrowth of greed, rather than an accounting of calories in and calories out.

 

"There was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.

[20] And at his gate lay a poor man named Laz'arus, full of sores, 
[21] who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 
[22] The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; 
[23] and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Laz'arus in his bosom. 
[24] And he called out, `Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Laz'arus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.' 
[25] But Abraham said, `Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Laz'arus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 
[26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.' 
[27] And he said, `Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house, 
[28] for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' 
[29] But Abraham said, `They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' 
[30] And he said, `No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' 
[31] He said to him, `If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.'"

[Guest]

I think you're right Era Might.

[Anastasia13]

Its calories in vs calories out for most people...Its pretty simple to lose weight even without exercising...

 

Two women may be similarly built. Both become overweight. One at 300 lbs. The other at 400. Both lose weight and weigh similar amounts. The one that weighed 400 will have to eat less to maintain this weight than than the one that weighed 300. The metabolism shifts long term if not permanently (suspect permanently from what I recall of the presentation).

 

Also, medications and medical conditions affect weight. I know a woman who suddenly gained 70 lb on a pain medication-she already ate light. There are three kinds of histamine, and one of these is involved with why some few people are over weight.

 

Oddly enough, fasting can affect weight by depriving the body of calories and reducing metabolism or something like that. Not familiar with the details, but it depends how it is done (so yes, this is not always the case).

 

On the opposite end, I knew a guy who started eating 1.5 times his usual calorie intake and barely gained any weight.

Edited June 14, 2013 by Light and Truth

[jazzytakara]

I think Gluttony becomes mortal rather than venial when we knowingly (with full knowledge) eat or drink to the point that we are gravely endangering our health. For instance, eating an additional piece of pie after a large dinner may cause us to have a stomach ache or other temporary ill feelings, but it wouldn't be a serious risk to out health once in awhile, so a venial sin of gluttony. Mortal sin would be to eat and drink things that have been scientifically and medically proven to cause severe damage to personal health and well being if consumed in vast amounts and/or over a long period of time. In this case the individual is choosing to over indulge knowing the risks, and choosing to do so anyway. For instance we all know drinking too much alcohol is bad for the liver, so knowing this and choosing to drink too much all of the time is willfully damaging your liver. Also if you are getting drunk for the sake of being drunk, this would be gluttony as well. Food wise, we know that high fat and high calorie food will cause heart disease, but choosing to live off of McDonald's for instance would be gluttonous. Sure McDonald's tastes good, but it should only be ate in moderation/as a once in awhile treat. Eating it all the time is dooming your health, thus gluttony in the mortal sense. I think the scariest case of gluttony in the mortal sense is when a couple of people told me that they didn't want to go to Heaven as they were worried they wouldn't be able to eat there, and they would enjoy eating more than anything Heaven could offer, as such if Heaven didn't include food, there was no point in going, even to be with God.(this was  a reason for why they chose not to follow God's way/believe in God)...valuing food over your own health and over God is very wrong, thus why Gluttony is a sin.

[photosynthesis]

I always understood gluttony to be eating more than you need--especially in situations where other people suffer because you took too much food.  Historically, food, especially rich foods, was scarce--and you had to work really hard to put food on the table.  It is not just "consuming excess calories" but also depriving your neighbor of the resources they need to live.

 

Obesity and gluttony are not the same thing.  Much of the time, our weight has a lot to do with the habits we adopt....and some people are going to have a harder time maintaining a healthy weight than others due to genetics, health conditions, hormones, metabolism, etc.  And skinny people can still be gluttonous!  I had a roommate who was ultra skinny, and she was always tapping into my organic produce and eating all my kale chips!  

Edited June 14, 2013 by photosynthesis

[Guest]

Would eating red meat more then once or twice a week be gluttony ? No one should be eating it more then twice a week anyways...Its a killer....What's worse ? Eating red meat everyday or masturbation ?