megamattman1 Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Unlike many here, I do not think voting for Kerry or a pro-abortion politician is necessarily a mortal sin. I believe it depends on the situation in general. Some say if you vote for a pro-abortion despite the fact that he's pro-abortion instead of because of the fact is he, you're okay. I do not agree with this totally, I do think if you vote for a pro-abortion when there's a good chance to get some things done with abortion, you most likely are in mortal sin. That being said. Here is the reason why I will probably not vote for Kerry come fall when I had originally intended to: [quote] U.S. Supreme Court - Current Justices The two eldest members, Justice Stevens, 80 and Chief Justice Rehnquist, 75, are expected to retire over the next four years. Court-watchers have predicted that Chief Justice Rehnquist will retire if George W. Bush, Jr. is elected president in November. Another possible retiree in the near future, Justice Ginsburg has been undergoing chemotherapy and radiation treatment after surgery for colon cancer last year. Justice Appointed Year Appointed By Age William Rehnquist 1972 Nixon 75 John Paul Stevens 1975 Ford 80 Sandra Day O'Connor 1981 Reagan 70 Antonin Scalia 1986 Reagan 62 Anthony Kennedy 1988 Reagan 62 David Souter 1990 Bush 59 Clarence Thomas 1991 Bush 50 Ruth Bader Ginsburg 1993 Clinton 65 Stephen Breyer 1994 Clinton 60 [/quote] If Bush is elected and nothing changes, I'll be quite despaired. I don't know what I'll do the next election year if nothing happens. Then, Kerry will probably get elected and I'll probably spend my life voting on this one issue. Oh well... BUSH for 2004!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 When a politicians Platform is Pro-Choice it is a pro abortion stance. So when you vote your conscience keep that in mind. Remember the definition of Mortal Sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatPhred Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 (edited) [quote name='megamattman1' date='May 30 2004, 07:03 PM']If Bush is elected and nothing changes, I'll be quite despaired.[/quote] I'm puzzled why you think anything would change if Bush were re-elected. He's not going to do anything different in his second term than what he has already done in his first. And seven of the nine current Supreme Court justices were appointed by Republicans. You only need five for a majority ruling. So that's not going to change either. If Bush is re-elected, we are going to have four more years of the same thing we have now. And there will still be 1.3 million abortions per year in American in 2008. One definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over again and expecting something different to happen. (Oops, I just looked it up on the web - this is the definition of insanity, not stupidity.) Edited June 1, 2004 by PhatPhred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Thank you Phred for words of reason and sanity. Bill W. and friends have the definition of insanity absolutely correct, and what a dire forecast for our people. We have not yet grasped that we cannot change things by repeating our actions. As always Phred I remain impressed. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 But don't you think that electing Kerry will give political advantage to pro-abortionists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Jas, Just to clarify, I am in complete agreement with Bishop Sheridan, et al. on the sin of voting for pro-choice canidates. However, I ask what will change? Catholic Charities in California is required to add contraception to its insurance plan for employees. The Supreme Court has chosen repeatedly to affirm Roe v. Wade. The federal partial birth abortion bill is in court, and the judge won't compel the defence to release evidence. What will be different? peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 What will or won't change under Bush is debatable, but isn't it logical that things would be worse with Kerry? He would be a Democratic president. The Democratic party would increase their political power and the Republicans would diminish in political power. Democrats are much more supportive of 'Abortion Rights'. Dems would owe more political favors to contributing PACs that support abortion. Kerry is very pro-choice out of political necessity for his party and lack of moral fortitude. Things would change with Kerry, but not neccessarily for the better, and more likely for the worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 I was taught that supporting abortion in any way is a mortal sin. It's like if there was a pro-murder candidate. I think it'd be absurd to elect him into office, even if I'm doing it for another reason. The only time I would say that it's not a mortal sin is if you didn't know (that'd be difficult) or if all candidates were pro-abortion. Also, I don't think that supporting Kerry as leader of our nation is very wise either. He denies his own religion, laughs in their face, and really seems to have very low morals. I don't want him in charge of our country... Now, just as a side note, I was also taught that the Supreme Court was unConstitutional in their decision of Roe vs. Wade. But that's a debate for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 I am not supporting Kerry!! Sheesh, never mind... peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 We must also keep in mind that the Democrats are blocking most of Bush's judicial nominations, especially for those judges who are staunchly pro-life. None of the justices would retire now as a nomination would likely not get confirmed before the end of his term. Would it also be a mortal sin to vote for a senator who either is pro-abortion or helps delay the confirmations of pro-life justices and judges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 [quote name='PedroX' date='Jun 1 2004, 08:23 AM'] I am not supporting Kerry!! Sheesh, never mind... peace... [/quote] I never claimed to be the brightest crayon in a box of 8. My bad. I was confused with your comments about change and took them as changing from Bush to vote for Kerry when you were just sharing disappointment about Bush. Sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 [quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Jun 1 2004, 10:06 AM'] Would it also be a mortal sin to vote for a senator who either is pro-abortion or helps delay the confirmations of pro-life justices and judges? [/quote] Unless you don't have a choice, or the other candidate is somehow worse, I do think it'd be a mortal sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 A Catholic that votes for kerry is Catholic only in name and knows very little of what Catholicism teaches. For such comments saying that we would only have four years of the same thing just goes to show that someone does not know what has been going on for four years. Bush has been moving mountains for the pro-life movement... it is the anti-life senators that have been keeping more from happening. Here is just a small list of what Bush has done for the Life movement: [url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=127"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=127[/url] If killem kerry is elected, we all will be paying for abortions all over the world. It's an insult to the Catholic Church and to the life movement for any Catholic to vote for kerry. It is a sin to vote for kerry. It is a mortal sin, because all who are reading this KNOW that it's a sin to vote for him therefore the ignorance card cannot be played. A Pastoral Letter from a Bishop about voting: [url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=164"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=164[/url] I pray and hope we have four more years of Bush. Bush has been a great president. He sticks to his word, and has a basis of morals that he sticks to. Bush is honest. kerry is evil. He is a liar. He uses the Catholic Church for social reasons. He rides on the backs of the poor. He does not care about people, only in getting and keeping power. Did John Kerry Lie About Abortion? [url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=124"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=124[/url] What a Kerry presidency would mean for Catholics : [url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=139"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=139[/url] -ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jun 1 2004, 11:48 AM'] Unless you don't have a choice, or the other candidate is somehow worse, I do think it'd be a mortal sin. [/quote] A vote for kerry is a mortal sin because a vote for any politician that is pro-abortion when a pro-life candidate is running against them is a mortal sin. Nothing is a higher priority then stopping abortion. [b]Proverbs 16:25 [/b] Sometimes a way seems right to a man, but the end of it leads to death! God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 I don't like Bush AT ALL, this is not a secret but I WILL be voting for him come November. At least with Bush in office, there is the chance of something being done about abortion. With Kerry in office, there's no chance of anything being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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