Slappo Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/06/11/nyc-restaurant-bans-tipping-opts-instead-to-pay-workers-set-wage-and-increase/ That's right! One NYC restaurant has made the move to increase all prices by 15% and fully compensate wait staff through their salary. I'd love to see this done universally. If a waiter has a bad day and isn't treating customers nicely, he'll get complaints about him to management. Management could then make employment and pay decisions based on overall performance of the waiter. He won't get his wages cut 50% for a day because he gave horrible service, but if it happens several times he may get passed up for that pay increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestertonian Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/06/11/nyc-restaurant-bans-tipping-opts-instead-to-pay-workers-set-wage-and-increase/ That's right! One NYC restaurant has made the move to increase all prices by 15% and fully compensate wait staff through their salary. I'd love to see this done universally. If a waiter has a bad day and isn't treating customers nicely, he'll get complaints about him to management. Management could then make employment and pay decisions based on overall performance of the waiter. He won't get his wages cut 50% for a day because he gave horrible service, but if it happens several times he may get passed up for that pay increase. So they get 15% more per hour? So if they were making $10 an hour, they'll now be making $11.50 an hour? If that's the case, that equals an extra $12 per shift. Considering many servers make upwards of $100 a day in tips, I'm not sure why a server would opt to work there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Will servers end up with more or less money? Will that affect people who will take nights and weekends (normally those pay out higher because they're busier but if you're getting the same for a monday afternoon, then you wouldn't wanna work saturday night you know?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 So they get 15% more per hour? So if they were making $10 an hour, they'll now be making $11.50 an hour? If that's the case, that equals an extra $12 per shift. Considering many servers make upwards of $100 a day in tips, I'm not sure why a server would opt to work there. No no no... not 15% wage increases and no tips... 15% increase on all their prices. The article and business didn't disclose how much the wages of the wait staff changed, only that the wait staff are now fully compensated by the restaurant. Basically if you have what would normally be a $100 bill, it is now $115 but you don't leave a tip. The wait staff are paid living wages by the business. I would imagine a large percentage of that 15% increase is going towards salaries and benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestertonian Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 No no no... not 15% wage increases and no tips... 15% increase on all their prices. The article and business didn't disclose how much the wages of the wait staff changed, only that the wait staff are now fully compensated by the restaurant. Basically if you have what would normally be a $100 bill, it is now $115 but you don't leave a tip. The wait staff are paid living wages by the business. I would imagine a large percentage of that 15% increase is going towards salaries and benefits. 10/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Which means if you are a really good waiter or waitress you make less. Many customers routinely leave 20-30% tips. I left a 25% tip on a bill tonight because our waitress was attentive to our needs and did a great job. I never leave less than 15%. If you can't leave that much, don't dine out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 So, your new favourite restaurant in the country, Slappo? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Which means if you are a really good waiter or waitress you make less. Many customers routinely leave 20-30% tips. I left a 25% tip on a bill tonight because our waitress was attentive to our needs and did a great job. I never leave less than 15%. If you can't leave that much, don't dine out. You're assuming that many really good waiters or waitresses don't get stiffed though too. One customer leaves awesome 30% tip, next customer stiffs you. You're also assuming that the business doesn't take into account the expertise of the waiter or waitress when determining pay rates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 You're assuming that many really good waiters or waitresses don't get stiffed though too. One customer leaves amesome 30% tip, next customer stiffs you. You're also assuming that the business doesn't take into account the expertise of the waiter or waitress when determining pay rates... There are pros and cons to mandatory tipping which many places already do for tables of 8 or more. Which is interesting because I have never left a tip larger than the automatic 15 or 18% on those larger parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I never understood why the tip is supposed to be a % of your bill? What the difference of waiter serving you a $8 chopped steak vs $35 filet mignon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 While it may be slightly off-putting for patrons to pay a little more up front and not leave a tip behind, Rosenberg says he has not seen any change in the volume of customers. He says the move to a no tipping system will help foster stability in his workforce, who receive vacation time and paid sick leave. I like this. It's approaching the problem head on, which is an underpaid wait staff. The customer should not be expected to ensure that the wait staff is given a just wage via tipping. The restaurant should be paying a just wage to begin with. It seems this restaurant is attempting to do that. Good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 While it may be slightly off-putting for patrons to pay a little more up front and not leave a tip behind, Rosenberg says he has not seen any change in the volume of customers. He says the move to a no tipping system will help foster stability in his workforce, who receive vacation time and paid sick leave. I like this. It's approaching the problem head on, which is an underpaid wait staff. The customer should not be expected to ensure that the wait staff is given a just wage via tipping. The restaurant should be paying a just wage to begin with. It seems this restaurant is attempting to do that. Good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthephysicist Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I never understood why the tip is supposed to be a % of your bill? What the difference of waiter serving you a $8 chopped steak vs $35 filet mignon? I agree. There's a restaurant near my old college that does 99cent unlimited pancakes. My buddies and I would go there and get water to drink (because it is free) so a bill for four of us would come to a little over $4 after tax. We figured a percentage based tip (typically ~$1) wasn't fair because he/she worked just as hard for our table as he/she did for the tables around us with a significantly higher bill so we always ended up leaving well over 100% tip. I like this. It's approaching the problem head on, which is an underpaid wait staff. The customer should not be expected to ensure that the wait staff is given a just wage via tipping. The restaurant should be paying a just wage to begin with. It seems this restaurant is attempting to do that. Good job! I like it too. It might not be a perfect solution, but they've seen a problem with the current system and are trying to fix it. Maybe they're right or maybe they're wrong, but I think trying out novel ideas like this is the only way we're going to figure out the right solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I wish this were more universal here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I agree. There's a restaurant near my old college that does 99cent unlimited pancakes. My buddies and I would go there and get water to drink (because it is free) so a bill for four of us would come to a little over $4 after tax. We figured a percentage based tip (typically ~$1) wasn't fair because he/she worked just as hard for our table as he/she did for the tables around us with a significantly higher bill so we always ended up leaving well over 100% tip. I like it too. It might not be a perfect solution, but they've seen a problem with the current system and are trying to fix it. Maybe they're right or maybe they're wrong, but I think trying out novel ideas like this is the only way we're going to figure out the right solution. Tip needs to reflect price without discounts of any kind. For example, if wife and I use a buy entree get one free coupon. The tip needs to reflect what the cost would be for two entrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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