Guest Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I love breast...Really love breast...Lord knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Pictures in the Vatican that show breast ? Tell me more about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Um........ yeah. :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 And for the record I'm 99 percent sure God exist....Although I would give anything to know 100 percent that He exist....But I have a strong faith in God...He's my bestfriend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Just an idea, but could these "near death experiences" be some kind of lucid dreaming caused by something that happens near death? In our dreams we play out all our individual weirdness...maybe that happens near death. You might also be interested in a book called "Pagans and Christians" by Robin Lane Fox, where he discusses the phenomena of "epiphany" in the ancient world. The pagans seeing gods, etc., and then eventually the christians claimed the same phenomena, seeing Christ, seeing saints, etc. He looks it as an historian rather than a believer or disbeliever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) Sounds interesting Era Might....Would be worth the read...About nde's being like lucid dreams I'm not sure....A lot of the nde's I have read about the person claims the experience was more real then anything they have ever experienced in day to day living...More real then any day they spent alive on earth...A dream, nomatter how real it seems, the person knows they were dreaming when they wake up...This is what I find cool about nde's that the person doesn't think it was a dream...They are convinced it really happened... Edited June 1, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Just an idea, but could these "near death experiences" be some kind of lucid dreaming caused by something that happens near death? In our dreams we play out all our individual weirdness...maybe that happens near death. You might also be interested in a book called "Pagans and Christians" by Robin Lane Fox, where he discusses the phenomena of "epiphany" in the ancient world. The pagans seeing gods, etc., and then eventually the christians claimed the same phenomena, seeing Christ, seeing saints, etc. He looks it as an historian rather than a believer or disbeliever. Cool! On a relatedish note, sleep paralysis has been linked to claims of alien abduction. Our brains are funny thangz. We can also remember events that never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 For dreaming tho, as we understand it, the brain would still need to be capable enough to dream. If someone was truly brain dead then I don't think dreaming would be plausible. However many nde don't involve such cases so I guess dreaming could account for most cases idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 For dreaming tho, as we understand it, the brain would still need to be capable enough to dream. If someone was truly brain dead then I don't think dreaming would be plausible. However many nde don't involve such cases so I guess dreaming could account for most cases idk. ketamine. lets. try. ketamine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 why are you being such a drug pusher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 why are you being such a drug pusher? When CAK says silly things like that, I tend not to take it seriously lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Still doesn't explain why the people are convinced it wasn't a dream...Every dream I have ever had nomatter how real it seemed I always knew it was a dream when awake...People who have nde's are convinced it wasn't a dream....I think Doctor Eben Alexanders near death experience was the closest with science evidence of the brain actually being shut down...Although atheist and fellow doctor Sam Harris argues against this being the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Still doesn't explain why the people are convinced it wasn't a dream...Every dream I have ever had nomatter how real it seemed I always knew it was a dream when awake...People who have nde's are convinced it wasn't a dream....I think Doctor Eben Alexanders near death experience was the closest with science evidence of the brain actually being shut down...Although atheist and fellow doctor Sam Harris argues against this being the case... Listen I don't even like this phenomena being referred to as "near death experiences" because the person who reports the NDE was ACTUALLY dead and resuscitated - so that wasn't "near death" it was literally dead. So I don't believe the experience can be passed off as a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) I don't think they were really dead though....The brain has to be shut down all the way for a person to be clincically dead...Even in Eben Alexanders case the brain wasn't shut down completly...Although it almost was (for almost a week) and to the point it would of been seemingly impossible for him to have the experience he did and for it to be in such great detail...Sorry for the spelling I'm on a phone... Edited June 1, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 why are you being such a drug pusher? I'm not sayin' but i'm sayin', nam' saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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