Ice_nine Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I'd like to read Proof of Heaven. I think what's most interesting about that book is that he is a scientist and scientists of this day and age are really predominantly materialistic, so might be interesting from a scientific view, if not a theological one, that consciousness can exist apart from matter. A lot of times nde tend to reinforce a person's learned faith. For example, I've not heard a Christian had a nde that involved mohammad or vice versa with Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 How do we as Catholic Christians make sense of these stories, especially if certain versions of the afterlife don't jive with Catholic theology? Take Ketamine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) From what I've read ketamine isn't exactly the same as nde's and the experience is different.....Nde's from my understaning are the realest thing ever experienced by the people who have them....Not like a dream when you wake up you know its a dream no matter how real the dream seemed...A lot of the nde's say they felt more alive and alert then they could of ever imagined possible and then they ever felt in this life... Edited May 31, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ice Nine you should check it out...Its a good read...Catholics pry won't like it though because he doesn't agree with christian teaching...He was I think like a methodist or something like that going into the experience and he still is now although he believes in reincarnation now...He was told that there are other universes and higher forms of life and we have multiple lives...The guy seems sincere though and I don't believe he is just out for a buck....His story was amazing and its backed up by science...The question is did the experience really happen and if it did then what does that say about the way we view God and things like reincarnation and sin....Again I'm Catholic so I believe christian teaching....But in a case like this it comes down to either the experience didn't happen or it did...And if it did then the way he experienced God was different then you would expect growing up to believe christianity was the truth and the way it is.....Although there seemed to be a lot of similarites too...I guess you just have to read the book...He's actually coming out with a part two and its going to be talking about things he learned and reincarnation and stuff....lol so I don't know....anyhow Godbless.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) I take that back Ketamine (special k) is actually really similar to nde's....I was thinking dmt or something like that...sorry... Edited May 31, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Also I read atheist Sam Harris (think that's his name) review of Doctor Eben Alexanders book....He has his doubts on what Eben experienced and the science behind it....What is interesting about Sam Harris to me though is he is open to the spirtual sides of things and consiousness....He is ok saying he really doesn't know....He just doesn't believe in the Bible or any form of religion that is man made...If science can prove that nde's and consiousness are not real that would really hurt my faith...It would pretty much do a lot to convince me that God is something just made up by the human mind and we really are just a product of evolution and here by accident....The reason being nde's are so vivid and the people having them are so convinced they happened and this was a real reality that happened to them....If sicence proves 100 percent that isn't the case it would be a big blow to me....But honestly I don't think they will and they haven't yet....And I don't think they ever will because God is real...And if God is really real then they will not be able to prove this stuff isn't happening and consiousness isn't seperate from tthe brain.... Edited May 31, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) lol if God doesn't exist that would be really cruel and the the worse last horrible trick of evolution and the universe to pull...to have the human mind upon dieing think they are approaching a loving bright light that is God.....then for everything to just end with the snap of the fingers when the brain dies.....how sad would that be....It really is a cold world if that's the case...Although I'm convinced that isn't the case and God is real... Edited May 31, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Stop eating my props, deliveryboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Flower Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I thought brain death meant that there's no coming back, the body has to be kept alive on machines - in that case we can "pull the plug" so to speak. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a medical expert I may have misspoken. What I meant was, no vital signs, by all measures dead, no brain activity recorded, etc. As far as I know this is the state that these near death people have come back from. But like I said I'm no medical expert so I might be really wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 * dying not dieing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Stop eating my props, deliveryboy. keep them coming you're the only one who hooks me up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Stop eating my props, deliveryboy. keep them coming you're the only one who hooks me up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Delivery Boy, with all due respect, how do you have a Church Militant tag? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Delivery Boy, with all due respect, how do you have a Church Militant tag? :huh: I'm confused. What did he say that was uncatholic? Was it the reference to Sam Harris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 I'm confused. What did he say that was uncatholic? Was it the reference to Sam Harris? Well as for that, it's probably not the greatest idea for a Catholic to promote a book on reincarnation. Unless of course someone's researching the belief for a legitimate, non-religious reason like a school paper. Granted, if a Catholic is strong in his faith and wants to learn about the belief to better understand a friend or culture that's cool, it's just - it doesn't look right coming from someone with "Church Militant" under his name. Post 13 is what really had me concerned though. Comments questioning the existence of God and even more specifically the God of Christianity....I believe DB was thinking aloud (er, typing aloud?) when he made that post, and imo we all experience those questions, but if you have the Church Militant tag you're held to a certain standard and you have to be extra careful what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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