Aethists Redeemed? Pope Francis

[ploomf]

This was an interesting blog post I read yesterday about the Popes remarks. It's from an Orthodox perspective and it was interesting.

 

http://orthodoxyandheterodoxy.org/2013/05/23/did-pope-francis-say-everyone-will-be-saved-by-doing-good/

[Apotheoun]

This was an interesting blog post I read yesterday about the Popes remarks. It's from an Orthodox perspective and it was interesting.

 

http://orthodoxyandheterodoxy.org/2013/05/23/did-pope-francis-say-everyone-will-be-saved-by-doing-good/

This is what I was getting at in my post, but Fr. Andrew said it better:

 

"Well, first, this is not universalism. It might appear to be so if you don’t know that there is a difference in traditional Christian theology between being saved and being redeemed. The redemption that Christ accomplished through the incarnation, cross and resurrection was for all of human nature, and so it is quite correct to say “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ.” Redemption is something that happens for human nature, which is why all will be resurrected in the end and why all are capable of doing good.

 

But that is not the same thing as saying that all will be saved, and it certainly isn’t saying that everyone will be saved by doing good. It’s not even saying that everyone will be redeemed by doing good. Salvation, in distinction from redemption, is centered on the individual person, not on the whole of human nature. Salvation is what the individual person does with the redemption that Christ has given to all, and it involves much more than simply doing good."

[BigJon16]

From Scott Hahn, via Facebook: 

 

Lots of people are criticizing Pope Francis' message earlier this week, as if he's deviating from the Church's teaching on the need to proclaim the good news... Contrary to what you may read in the media, please notice, nowhere does he even suggest - much less teach - that avowed atheists are saved. Instead, what he actually says is so obviously true and open to a perfectly fair and benign reading: 

 

1. We shouldn't be so critical of outsiders that we don't allow ourselves to see or acknowledge whatever good they do, or truth they affirm (even atheists).

 

2. Christ didn't die to save only catholics/christians, but everybody (even atheists). 

 

3. Since all are redeemed by Christ - potentially, at least - we should be looking for ways to build bridges with them in order to actualize that redemptive potential, by showing them that whatever truth and goodness they embrace comes from - and leads to - Christ.

 

 

[dominicansoul]

Pope Francis just reiterated what I've always believed.  Every person living on this earth shares in the Redemption of Jesus Christ, whether they know it or not.  It is they, not God, who denies them redemption when they do not accept it.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

Pope Francis just reiterated what I've always believed.  Every person living on this earth shares in the Redemption of Jesus Christ, whether they know it or not.  It is they, not God, who denies them redemption when they do not accept it.

 

Still confused. The idea that someone could embrace ignorance while secretly knowing they'd be going to hell for it seems improbable in least 75% of the cases. Is Catholicism really SOOO obviously true that merely reading about Catholicism is enough to convince anyone about its validity? Is this the view we're taking? 

[Vincent Vega]

Ex Ecclesia Nulla Salus,

Extra*. What you've written means, "There is no salvation from the Church."