Gay: Born That Way?

[cappie]

“Love between two persons, whether of the same sex or of a different sex, is to be treasured and respected… When two persons love, they experience in a limited manner in this world what will be their unending delight when one with God in the next…  To love another, whether of the same sex or of a different sex, is to have entered the area of the richest human experience…” (Cardinal Basil Hume, Note on the Teaching of the Catholic Church Concerning Homosexual People, 1995).

 

 

[Tony]

Ok I'm confused. I thought most of these "Born gay" people believed that because that's what the liberal media was feeding them ever since they learned what gay meant. . To put it blunt, I really thought they were brainwashed (and I still think it's true for some of them)

[Basilisa Marie]

Ok I'm confused. I thought most of these "Born gay" people believed that because that's what the liberal media was feeding them ever since they learned what gay meant. . To put it blunt, I really thought they were brainwashed (and I still think it's true for some of them)

 

Speaking for myself only, I believe most people who are gay are born that way because many gay people have told me that it seems to them that they were born that way.  Not whatever the media (or anyone else, for that matter) has told me. 

Edited May 17, 2013 by Basilisa Marie

[cappie]

In all my years I have yet to meet someone who has changed their orientation because of the media. I'm not saying they are not out there, it's just that my work has been with people, as I said above, have felt that God has played some sort of a cruel joke on them. Of course I don't believe that for one minute, but the impression that is given so often is that no matter how early "feelings" arose it's my fault and God and his Church is very angry with me.

 

Edited May 17, 2013 by cappie

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I love my dad and my brothers in christ and other men, but am not homosexual. Anal sex is a crime against the original covenant, "be fruitful and multiply." You can't be fruitful and multiply in that way, nore can you with condoms,histerechtamies,the pill etc. Chastity is the only exception to not stand against the original covenant, the rest is just lust and irresponsible a conterfiet form of eros. Thats my opinion anyway, and yes i to am a work in progress and still a sinner, but i will not say sin is okay.

 

Edited May 17, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

masturbation included in the counterfeit forms of eros.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

i think i voted wrong,i want my balot paper returned before election time,

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I don't know what your getting at fr cappie ? Is it a sin or not ? I heard 5 priests in the gold coast where excommunicated for there stance on homosexuality and abortion about 3 or 4 years ago, i think i met one of them at st mary's gold coast, who caused me to fall and i've been falling since, gave me heretical advice on the matter of lust, and i never even bought up the subject he opened the conversation on it.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

and i beg your pardon everyone who thinks i shouldn't front up to a priest, i front up to you the same, he is my brother and i need a direct answer so i give direct questions.

[cappie]

I love my dad and my brothers in christ and other men, but am not homosexual. Anal sex is a crime against the original covenant, "be fruitful and multiply." You can't be fruitful and multiply in that way, nore can you with condoms,histerechtamies,the pill etc. Chastity is the only exception to not stand against the original covenant, the rest is just lust and irresponsible a conterfiet form of eros. Thats my opinion anyway, and yes i to am a work in progress and still a sinner, but i will not say sin is okay.

 

I don't think anyone has mentioned Anal sex.

 

There are basically four different things someone might mean when they say “homosexuality,” and they are often confused.

 

1. Orientation. A person’s orientation tells you only who they are emotionally and physically attracted to. Someone may call themselves gay because that is their orientation. I would maintain people don’t choose their orientation. Some people use the word temptations to describe their orientation.

 

2. Lust. A lot of people confuse orientation with lust, but they’re not the same thing at all. Lust is more than just being attracted to someone; it has to do with how you respond to those attractions in your mind. Lust is a sin regardless of whether you’re lusting for women, men, or even your neighbor’s snazzy new car. The same Greek word translated lust in the Bible also means covet.

 

3. Sex. This is really what most people are talking about when they say that “homosexuality is a sin.” They mean that they disapprove of gay sex, but to some, it sounds like you just disapprove of their unchosen orientation.

 

4. Relationship. When gay people talk about wanting to get married, I think it’s not sex they’re after in the main, but rather, a relationship. Just as straight people (hopefully) don’t get married for the sex, gay people don’t either.

 

Would someone assume two gay people are having sex if you see them holding hands? (Would you assume a straight couple is having sex if you see them holding hands?)

[cappie]

I don't know what your getting at fr cappie ? Is it a sin or not ? I heard 5 priests in the gold coast where excommunicated for there stance on homosexuality and abortion about 3 or 4 years ago, i think i met one of them at st mary's gold coast, who caused me to fall and i've been falling since, gave me heretical advice on the matter of lust, and i never even bought up the subject he opened the conversation on it.

 

Homosexual desires,are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

 

As to your other remarks. I lived in the Archdiocese of Brisbane for 22 years and the only priest to be deprived of his priesthood was Fr Peter Kennedy the Administrator of St Mary's South Brisbane

on Saturday 21st February 2009. This was done because he was guilty of changing rituals including Baptism and Eucharist and allowing women to preach.

 

 

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[Papist]

 

“Love between two persons, whether of the same sex or of a different sex, is to be treasured and respected… When two persons love, they experience in a limited manner in this world what will be their unending delight when one with God in the next…  To love another, whether of the same sex or of a different sex, is to have entered the area of the richest human experience…” (Cardinal Basil Hume, Note on the Teaching of the Catholic Church Concerning Homosexual People, 1995).

 

 

I can see how this can be misinterpreted (intentional no doubt) to serve the gay agenda. You know the love=love=love yada yada yada

[GregorMendel]

I love my dad and my brothers in christ and other men, but am not homosexual. Anal sex is a crime against the original covenant, "be fruitful and multiply." You can't be fruitful and multiply in that way, nore can you with condoms,histerechtamies,the pill etc. Chastity is the only exception to not stand against the original covenant, the rest is just lust and irresponsible a conterfiet form of eros. Thats my opinion anyway, and yes i to am a work in progress and still a sinner, but i will not say sin is okay.

 

 

Excuse me, but "Hysterectomies" absolutely should not be considered on a list of what I assume you believe are forms of reproductive prophylactics. A hysterectomy is the surgical removal of the uterus and is not at all indicated as a prophylactic procedure, but rather as a surgical treatment for reproductive cancers, among other conditions.

[Annie12]

So, I don't think gay people have a choice in the matter. They don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. However, I don't think they are born that way either. I think it is something that happens when puberty hits. I also don't believe that just because they are attracted to the same sex that make it impossible to be chaste. No matter who you are attracted to it is possible to lead a virtuous life. Now, I believe that being Gay is a cross that will, if carried out with patience and virtue, will earn them much merit in heaven. It can't be easy. I only think society is making it harder by making it sociably acceptable to have a same-sex partner. That temptation must be very hard. I think we shouldn't judge gay people. It is a cross in their life.

[Socrates]

While there's likely some sort of biological component which predisposes some individuals more than others (as with any other human behavioral tendency), I don't think anyone is truly born gay.  I don't think any infant came out the womb with sexual desires for the same sex (or any sexual desires at all for that matter).  Nor do I believe sexual "orientation" to be utterly set in stone from the beginning.  Identical twins (which share both the same genes and womb environment) don't always grow up to have the same sexual "orientation."

Like many other traits, it's probably a complex interaction of nature and nurture factors, and I think homosexual tendencies can (and sometimes are) overcome.

 

That said, I'm really not sure what the point of this thread is.  Whether the cause of homosexuality is biological or not has absolutely no bearing on the immorality of homosexual activity, the disordered nature of homosexual desires, nor the wrongness of "gay marriage" and "civil unions."

 

Ultimately such desires and tendencies are the result of original sin - like all disordered tendencies, which we all have in some area to some degree.  And we should all work to overcome our disordered tendencies (whatever they may be), rather than try to make them the root of our identity, and be slaves to them.

 

Using biological hypotheses to excuse sinful behavior is symptomatic of the widespread "if it feels good, do it mentality" that people must follow their every sexual urge.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I think  we should conclude with a word of prayer on the topic from the Reverend Horton Heat:

 

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