4588686 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 But clearly had he just been safer and cleaner with his murdering of children you'd have no real problemo. Yep, yep, yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestertonian Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Yep, yep, yep Shocking. Oh, wait. i misspoke. What's the word for the opposite of shocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Sorry your baby murdering buddy lost his trial. Big blow to your oppressive movement. WOOT I love how Hasan didn't say anything about abortion or Gosnell in this discussion at all and yet you still pooped all over him. o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Shocking. Oh, wait. i misspoke. What's the word for the opposite of shocking? I think it's called 'sarcasm.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I love how Hasan didn't say anything about abortion or Gosnell in this discussion at all and yet you still pooped all over him. o.O Some how I don't think you're being honest about loving it. :| His repeated hypocritical jabs at social conservatives, including the one I replied to, all while being a fervent supporter of the mass murder of children displeases me greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Maybe more people would start to see that we're right if we weren't such giant donkeys to them. Just a thought. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Two life sentences without parole. This has turned out to be a great pro-life case in all cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Maybe more people would start to see that we're right if we weren't such giant donkeys to them. Just a thought. :| I don't think it is attitude. It's content. People who were here in 2008 will remember how equivocating I was on my decision to vote for Obama due to his pro-choice position. A lot of that was emotional from my being raised Catholic but for a long time I really and genuinely tried to be a bridge between the pro-choice and pro-life side. I argued to a lot of pro-choice people that the issue was more morally complex than they recognized. I still think that abortion is a tough moral issue but I have seen, through this site and the policy decisions with the pro-life crowed in power, that there is really no possibility for compromise. If the right of women to sexual autonomy is going to be protected than the pro-life movement has to be defeated. I don't know if that is going to happen. I think that for a long time to come there will be large swaths of the country where abortion is de facto illegal and contraceptives will become increasingly difficult to obtain. I'm almost positive that the pro-life movement will lose in the long run but I think they will have a fair number of successful years before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I don't think it is attitude. It's content. People who were here in 2008 will remember how equivocating I was on my decision to vote for Obama due to his pro-choice position. A lot of that was emotional from my being raised Catholic but for a long time I really and genuinely tried to be a bridge between the pro-choice and pro-life side. I argued to a lot of pro-choice people that the issue was more morally complex than they recognized. I still think that abortion is a tough moral issue but I have seen, through this site and the policy decisions with the pro-life crowed in power, that there is really no possibility for compromise. If the right of women to sexual autonomy is going to be protected than the pro-life movement has to be defeated. I don't know if that is going to happen. I think that for a long time to come there will be large swaths of the country where abortion is de facto illegal and contraceptives will become increasingly difficult to obtain. I'm almost positive that the pro-life movement will lose in the long run but I think they will have a fair number of successful years before that. Despite your online persona's likability, I think you are an extremely mislead and self centered person, with an increasingly distorted mindset that is destroying humanity and reverting us all back to being animals. Please don't take that personally either, as your way of thinking is unoriginal and common among today's youth, so just consider it constructive criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Despite your online persona's likability, I think you are an extremely mislead and self centered person, with an increasingly distorted mindset that is destroying humanity and reverting us all back to being animals. Please don't take that personally either, as your way of thinking is unoriginal and common among today's youth, so just consider it constructive criticism. Well, I reject the dichotomy between my online persona and my actual persona. I act and react here about as I do everywhere else in my life. I certainly don't take the charge of being mislead personally. Saying that I am self-centered is inherently personal. I disagree with it but obviously everybody has a right to their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hasan is very right that abortion and contraception are bound up together. Yes, it's absolutely true, the pro-life movement will also require the dismantling of our nation's contraceptive mentality, and then no-fault divorce as well. The destruction needs to stop, and abortion cannot be stopped unless contraception also stops. A couple using contraception to avoid pregnancy will always consider abortion as a backup method, and this has been proven time and again. When you are using contraception to prevent the life of a child you have already made your decision to be closed to life. When the contraceptives fail, as they inevitably will do, that child will only ever be viewed as an unwelcome surprise. This is what fuels abortion. Of course the pro-life movement needs to dismantle contraception. Do not be surprised Hasan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Well, I reject the dichotomy between my online persona and my actual persona. I act and react here about as I do everywhere else in my life. I certainly don't take the charge of being mislead personally. Saying that I am self-centered is inherently personal. I disagree with it but obviously everybody has a right to their opinion. I certainly do not intend to call you self centered, as I am only critiquing your online persona. If you reject that dichotomy, then you only encourage people to come to their own conclusions based on that rejection. And of course, I only say such things to urge you to be more excellent--which is how I personally strive to react to such criticisms of myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthephysicist Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hey guys, let's stop hating on Hasan. Sure, maybe you have a disagreement with him, but let's play nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploomf Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Hasan is very right that abortion and contraception are bound up together. Yes, it's absolutely true, the pro-life movement will also require the dismantling of our nation's contraceptive mentality, and then no-fault divorce as well. The destruction needs to stop, and abortion cannot be stopped unless contraception also stops. A couple using contraception to avoid pregnancy will always consider abortion as a backup method, and this has been proven time and again. When you are using contraception to prevent the life of a child you have already made your decision to be closed to life. When the contraceptives fail, as they inevitably will do, that child will only ever be viewed as an unwelcome surprise. This is what fuels abortion. Of course the pro-life movement needs to dismantle contraception. Do not be surprised Hasan. I'm not sure I agree with this. It's not been my experience with couples who use contraception. For instance most of the girls I grew up with who are married, they are all devout Mormons and consider themselves prolife, they all use contraception to control the size of their families but none of them would consider abortion even for a minute. I also have a lot of more middle of the road friends and family members. They consider themselves prolife, none of them would consider abortion but they all use contraception. If you told them you were intending to get rid of contraception as well they would switch and start supporting the pro choice side and they’d do it without a second thought. In my experience for most people outside of the Catholic Church contraception isn’t even a question, of course you are going to use it, why wouldn’t you? I know it wasn't until I started investigating Catholicism that I even realized some people had a moral issue with birth control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I love how Hasan didn't say anything about abortion or Gosnell in this discussion at all and yet you still pooped all over him. o.O Aww, poor little Hasan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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