abrideofChrist Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 It has been a while since I've looked up the infamous Mary like modesty standards, but I figured a similar one needed to be formulated for men. This is not a debate thread. This is for people who wish to contribute to shaping the policy of how men must dress in order to follow the standards of modesty set forth by St. Joseph. Here is my first stab at it. Feel free to chime in with additional requirements I have overlooked and cite spurious decisions by the popes over the centuries on men abandoning male dress for slacks! Joseph Like Modesty Rules The true modest gentleman wears Joseph Like Clothes. He imitates the Foster Father of Jesus. A truly modest man wears sandals (like Jesus), or goes barefoot (like Moses before the Burning Bush). His feet are comely and are not to be hidden shamefully away in those flaunting leather, plastic, or cloth, wood, or other materials. The Joseph like man always wears a robe in public except at liturgy. Only pagan barbarians wear trousers. Indeed, it is immodest, shameful, and demeaning to manhood to wear something which shows the countours of his legs when he is clothed. Consider that whenever St Joseph has appeared to someone, he always wears a robe. Modesty requires a headdress. Although modern conditions do not require protection from the sun and sand, it is time honored tradition. All men need to cover during the day, to make the doffing of a cap or mitre or biretta meaningful at Mass. Speaking of the liturgy, it is important that when the impulse to perform liturgical dance is experienced, that one overcome the temptation and cover up so as not to tempt the women as did the Psalmist in his transport of joy. Cotton, wool, leather, and metal are the only materials permitted to men. By special dispensation because of market conditions, a man may wear syntehtic materials in his attire. He should take care that as the male of the species, he wears bright colors and attractive materials and not the watered down dull colors of today's demasculinized society. A Joseph like man is to wear the phalacteries upon his arm and his forehead. No good Jew would be without them, and they show reverence to God and His word. The Old Testament is replete with examples of how sacred man is, and how he must remind himself of God's presence with these outward symbols and a prayer shawl. The prayer shawl was never abolished by the law, it is a sacred reminder of our duty to pray to God. All men should wear it. By special dispensation of the Holy See, one can substitute a scapular or some other devotional object like a chain for a prayer shawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I don't think we should impose standards on either gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I mean, obvious basics. But modesty is more than a set of standards forced upon each person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Aw, come on, the 171! Join in the spirit of this. I mean, if men want to dictate things like not wearing clothes that dip below 2 fingers breadth below the throat, and say women are "dispensed" from wearing long sleeves (short sleeves are permitted in this promiscuous world!), then surely we can create our own standards for the men! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 oh, sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) I almost forgot! Modesty also requires a weapon. St. Peter and the Apostles had swords. A true Joseph Like man must have a sword in possession at all times unless he marries a policewoman, or has a bodyguard. A dispensation may be requested of proper Church authorities if none of these apply to the man's circumstances. Edited May 11, 2013 by abrideofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) Aw, come on, the 171! Join in the spirit of this. I mean, if men want to dictate things like not wearing clothes that dip below 2 fingers breadth below the throat, and say women are "dispensed" from wearing long sleeves (short sleeves are permitted in this promiscuous world!), then surely we can create our own standards for the men! I think the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI is more than just some guy saying his opinion ;) not to mention that there are women who freely agree with him. I'm not sure if you're joking or... sorry it's hard to tell on forums sometimes Edited May 11, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 A cardinal vicar is merely a bishop in charge of either the Vatican City State or of the Diocese of Rome. Like any other non-Pontiffs, he is not exercising magesterial authority in dictating the dress code of the Basilicas or of the Vatican. Obviously the Cardinals in charge of Rome (diocese) and the Vatican do not agree with the oft quoted but not proven to have written anything about modesty Vicar in their posted dress codes for st. Peter's Basilica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I think the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI is more than just some guy saying his opinion ;) not to mention that there are women who freely agree with him. I'm not sure if you're joking or... sorry it's hard to tell on forums sometimes I could freely chose to agree with Abride, and that wouldn't make it binding on everyone just because I did it. Also, just for the record, I am highly unlikely to court a lady who follows strict MLM standards. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 The Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI has neither a name nor a genuine sourced citation in the Mary like modesty fan propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A cardinal vicar is merely a bishop in charge of either the Vatican City State or of the Diocese of Rome. Like any other non-Pontiffs, he is not exercising magesterial authority in dictating the dress code of the Basilicas or of the Vatican. Obviously the Cardinals in charge of Rome (diocese) and the Vatican do not agree with the oft quoted but not proven to have written anything about modesty Vicar in their posted dress codes for st. Peter's Basilica. I didn't mean magisterial authority particularly, but just saying that he's a Bishop, and he must have put thought and reflection into his views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 haha I'm trying to understand the logic between the pictures.... not succeeding :) where do you find them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrideofChrist Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) Also, just for the record, I am highly unlikely to court a lady who follows strict MLM standards. Just sayin'. Amen! I guess I'd be a shameless hussy according to MLM standards because - gasp - I wore something over 2 fingers breadth low on my neckline for my Consecration! And not all of my dress was opaque! Dear me. What a sacrilege. Funny how everyone thought my dress was absolutely charming, impeccably modest, and appropriate. My very strict bishop and MC wouldn't have let me be consecrated had they thought I was inappropriately attired. I guess, though, I did pick a Husband who did follow the Joseph Like Modesty rules... because they were appropriate for His century, neighborhood, etc. Edited May 11, 2013 by abrideofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) The Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI has neither a name nor a genuine sourced citation in the Mary like modesty fan propaganda. I guess I'm just having difficulty understanding people's reactions to that website. I woulndt' call it "propaganda". I'd be quicker to call our society's view of clothing propaganda, than something that promotes modesty. Maybe i'm skeptical towards our culture and have tried to re-examine some things that we all grew up and are used to - maybe cause I'm a convert, I don't know, really. :) I tried doing research on how some of our fashions today originated and became popular and found some disturbing things. But anyways, I wouldn't call the modesty standards propaganda. I've spent much thinking and praying about such information (not the website per se, but just the general ideas) and I just felt peace about following them so I did. I don't understand the reactions that these threads get, even when the information is simply presented, not enforced. I don't know... personally I like that standard of dress, that's just me, I just don't understand the reactions to this information. It seems these threads often get emotional but I'm not too sure why, if someone could explain to me I'd be grateful :) Edited May 11, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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