MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) The main issue I find with standards such as these is that they always have the wrong focus: stopping your brothers from sinning. This is not what modesty is about. Modesty is about showing your self-worth as a human being, not about covering your body up with a completely unflattering trash bag so us men won't sin. Don't want to get into a debate about modesty again and at what point it "protects the dignity of the individual" - but regarding the second point; I didn't see a trash bag mentioned :P I also don't think that covering shoulders and wearing mid calf skirts = trashbag. I think this type of clothing is more flattering than short/tight clothing. Edited May 11, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 If I wore my cami backwards, the milk access would be in the back, and my baby would be furious. :hehe2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Don't want to get into a debate about modesty again and at what point it "protects the dignity of the individual" - but regarding the second point; I didn't see a trash bag mentioned :P I also don't think that covering shoulders and wearing mid calf skirts = trashbag. I think this type of clothing is more flattering than short/tight clothing. I never said you or anyone else said these things, and I never said covering the shoulders and mid-calf was akin to a trash bag. It was a tongue-in-cheek remark on how ridiculous people can sometimes be. For what it's worth, I don't think your methods are overboard. I would never impose them on my wife or daughters, but that doesn't mean I think they are overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) (to Missscripture) True about that :) with me, my shoulders are smaller than most girls it seems, because any top I try on becomes more low cut than on other people. Camis are typically very low cut on me, so I put mine on backwards. Another alternative maybe would be to make one. Edited May 11, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillT Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 The main issue I find with standards such as these is that they always have the wrong focus: stopping your brothers from sinning. This is not what modesty is about. Modesty is about showing your self-worth as a human being, not about covering your body up with a completely unflattering trash bag so us men won't sin. That's highly inconsiderate to those with an unflattering trash bag fettish. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 That's highly inconsiderate to those with an unflattering trash bag fettish. :| Don't mention the Irish in my presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillT Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Don't mention the Irish in my presence. My bad. How about Germans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) I never said you or anyone else said these things, and I never said covering the shoulders and mid-calf was akin to a trash bag. It was a tongue-in-cheek remark on how ridiculous people can sometimes be. For what it's worth, I don't think your methods are overboard. I would never impose them on my wife or daughters, but that doesn't mean I think they are overboard. okay :) good to know. I've never heard anyone argue ridiculous points though.. people just tend to bring up the same standards as described on the website. I try to follow them too... it doens't seem as extreme as it does at first glance. I mean, if you (not you though :P lol) wear a mid calf or a maxi skirt, a shirt with a bit longer sleeves, and a high cut top, - that is basically the website's description. I was trying to describe, how in my opinion this looks more flattering on many people than shorter/tighter clothing (such as skirts above the knee), so when people say that this type of clothing is unflattering, I differ... maybe sometimes it's not as "fashionable" but I think it has an innocence and beauty to it that some modern fashions have lost (ie: beautiful vs "hot"). agh it's hard to talk online sometimes :( Edited May 11, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 My bad. How about Germans? I'm both Irish and German, so you can pretty much say all the mean things you want about either and I won't be offended. :P okay :) good to know. I've never heard anyone argue pro-trashbag before though.. people just tend to bring up the same standards as described on the website. I try to follow them too... it doens't seem as extreme as it does at first glance. I mean, if you (not you though :P lol) wear a mid calf or a maxi skirt, a shirt with a bit longer sleeves, and a high cut top, - that is basically the website's description. I was trying to describe, how in my opinion this looks more flattering on many people than shorter/tighter clothing, so when people say that this type of clothing is unflattering, I differ... agh it's hard to talk online sometimes :( Well, some people go overboard with the standards, either making them worse, or telling every woman who fails them either slightly or majorly that they are a scandalous tramp bent on tempting every man that saw them to sin. Every woman deserves to be respected and loved. This is the point of modesty in itself. It is not to save men from sin, but it is to respect yourself as a human being. When the intent is turned into not tempting men (Which it is a majority of the time) then it will be met with opposition, and it is received as condescending. Women want men to respect them. That is why they (Normally) wear such scandalous clothing: they think it will gain them respect and love, because this is what society has told them. This is a crucial point to it all that a lot of people miss or forget. As for clothing, I really have no opinion on it as of yet, but please be assured what I was saying wasn't directed at you at all. I didn't even read your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I dress like I'm straight out of the trailer-park. Kinda like people of wal-mart but with less hanging out in the open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillT Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'm both Irish and German, so you can pretty much say all the mean things you want about either and I won't be offended. :P. I'm a good bit German as well, so I'll refrain. More to the topic, I read this today and immediately thought of Phatmass. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2013/05/is-female-purity-bullshit.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I LOVE THAT POST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 (edited) I'm both Irish and German, so you can pretty much say all the mean things you want about either and I won't be offended. :P Well, some people go overboard with the standards, either making them worse, or telling every woman who fails them either slightly or majorly that they are a scandalous tramp bent on tempting every man that saw them to sin. Every woman deserves to be respected and loved. This is the point of modesty in itself. It is not to save men from sin, but it is to respect yourself as a human being. When the intent is turned into not tempting men (Which it is a majority of the time) then it will be met with opposition, and it is received as condescending. Women want men to respect them. That is why they (Normally) wear such scandalous clothing: they think it will gain them respect and love, because this is what society has told them. This is a crucial point to it all that a lot of people miss or forget. As for clothing, I really have no opinion on it as of yet, but please be assured what I was saying wasn't directed at you at all. I didn't even read your posts. okay :) I agree that every woman deserves to be respected and loved... but that's something inherent to her as a person created by God. The Catechism says, (maybe I'm paraphrasing) modesty guards the dignity of the individual. I don't think all the women who dress in a revealing way intend to tempt men, in those exact terms, I think partly it's our culture etc, I know when I was a teen I didn't really think about it (before I was Catholic). I also think that some forms of dress might present a temptation. This is just based on some sermons I heard on the topic (from Catholic priests). I read somewhere that precious things are veiled, and we don't cover our body cause it's bad but to protect our dignity, maybe cause we're fallen so people might objectify each other if it wasn't for clothing. It protects both dignity and chastity perhaps? For both of these reasons, I think that it's good when clothing is modest cause it both protects us and others. Personally I noticed a huge difference in how I feel when I'm dressed more modestly. As to what is modest? I guess that's the debate that keeps happening here ;) Edited May 11, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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