CatholicsAreKewl Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Therefore, abortion is ok???? I am not following. Please assist. I wasn't arguing a point. I just remembered the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffboom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ok. Where is the study that shows plan b does not contain abortifacient properties? http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/EC-Review.pdf "Several clinical studies have shown that combined ECPs containing the estrogen ethinyl estradiol and the progestin levonorgestrel can inhibit or delay ovulation.53,54,55,56 This mechanism of action may explain ECP effectiveness when used during the first half of the menstrual cycle, before ovulation has occurred. Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that combined ECPs may act by impairing endometrial receptivity to subsequent implantation of a fertilized egg.54,57,58,59 However, other more recent studies have found no such effects on the endometrium.53,60,61 Additional possible mechanisms include interference with corpus luteum function; thickening of the cervical mucus resulting in trapping of sperm; alterations in the tubal transport of sperm, egg, or embryo; and direct inhibition of fertilization.4,62,63,64 No clinical data exist regarding the last three of these possibilities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffboom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Therefore, abortion is ok???? I am not following. Please assist. More questionable logic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/EC-Review.pdf "Several clinical studies have shown that combined ECPs containing the estrogen ethinyl estradiol and the progestin levonorgestrel can inhibit or delay ovulation.53,54,55,56 This mechanism of action may explain ECP effectiveness when used during the first half of the menstrual cycle, before ovulation has occurred. Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that combined ECPs may act by impairing endometrial receptivity to subsequent implantation of a fertilized egg.54,57,58,59 However, other more recent studies have found no such effects on the endometrium.53,60,61 Additional possible mechanisms include interference with corpus luteum function; thickening of the cervical mucus resulting in trapping of sperm; alterations in the tubal transport of sperm, egg, or embryo; and direct inhibition of fertilization.4,62,63,64 No clinical data exist regarding the last three of these possibilities." Not definitive. http://www.planbonestep.com/plan-b-prescribers/ec-faq.aspx#3 3. How does Plan B® One-Step work? Emergency contraception is similar to a birth control pill, and works primarily by: Preventing ovulation Possibly preventing fertilization by altering tubal transport of sperm and/or egg Altering the endometrium, which may inhibit implantation What is it that is not allowed to implant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 More questionable logic... Hence, my inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/EC-Review.pdf"Several clinical studies have shown that combined ECPs containing the estrogen ethinyl estradiol and the progestin levonorgestrel can inhibit or delay ovulation.53,54,55,56 This mechanism of action may explain ECP effectiveness when used during the first half of the menstrual cycle, before ovulation has occurred. Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that combined ECPs may act by impairing endometrial receptivity to subsequent implantation of a fertilized egg.54,57,58,59 However, other more recent studies have found no such effects on the endometrium.53,60,61 Additional possible mechanisms include interference with corpus luteum function; thickening of the cervical mucus resulting in trapping of sperm; alterations in the tubal transport of sperm, egg, or embryo; and direct inhibition of fertilization.4,62,63,64 No clinical data exist regarding the last three of these possibilities."[/size] At what stage of pregnancy does this study conclude pregnancy begins? Conception or some other stage after that? Whether or not a study will admit the abortive effects of Emergency Contraception depends on when they believe pregnancy begins. If the study you posted earlier does not agree that conception is when pregnancy begins then it's findings may be in error. ECPs do not interrupt an established pregnancy, defined by medical authorities such as the United States Food and Drug Administration/National Institutes of Health and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists as beginning with implantation. Therefore, ECPs are not abortifacient. To make an informed choice, women must know that ECPs- like all regular hormonal contraceptives such as the birth control pill, the implant Implanon, the vaginal ring NuvaRing, the Evra patch and the injectable Depo-Provera and even breastfeeding—prevent pregnancy primarily by delaying of inhibiting ovulation and inhibiting fertilization, but may at times inhibit the implantation of a fertilized egg in the endometrium. - Emergency Contraception: A Last Chance to Prevent Unintended Pregnancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffboom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Not definitive. http://www.planbonestep.com/plan-b-prescribers/ec-faq.aspx#3 What is it that is not allowed to implant? "Several clinical studies have shown that combined ECPs containing the estrogen ethinyl estradiol and the progestin levonorgestrel can inhibit or delay ovulation.53,54,55,56 This mechanism of action may explain ECP effectiveness when used during the first half of the menstrual cycle, before ovulation has occurred. Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that combined ECPs may act by impairing endometrial receptivity to subsequent implantation of a fertilized egg.54,57,58,59 However, other more recent studies have found no such effects on the endometrium.53,60,61 Additional possible mechanisms include interference with corpus luteum function; thickening of the cervical mucus resulting in trapping of sperm; alterations in the tubal transport of sperm, egg, or embryo; and direct inhibition of fertilization.4,62,63,64 No clinical data exist regarding the last three of these possibilities." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 "Several clinical studies have shown that combined ECPs containing the estrogen ethinyl estradiol and the progestin levonorgestrel can inhibit or delay ovulation.53,54,55,56 This mechanism of action may explain ECP effectiveness when used during the first half of the menstrual cycle, before ovulation has occurred. Some studies have shown histologic or biochemical alterations in the endometrium after treatment with the regimen, leading to the conclusion that combined ECPs may act by impairing endometrial receptivity to subsequent implantation of a fertilized egg.54,57,58,59 However, other more recent studies have found no such effects on the endometrium.53,60,61 Additional possible mechanisms include interference with corpus luteum function; thickening of the cervical mucus resulting in trapping of sperm; alterations in the tubal transport of sperm, egg, or embryo; and direct inhibition of fertilization.4,62,63,64 No clinical data exist regarding the last three of these possibilities." Ambiguous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffboom Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ambiguous. It clearly states that there is no evidence for any other mechanism of action other than preventing ovulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 It clearly states that there is no evidence for any other mechanism of action other than preventing ovulation. I also asked a question, somewhat twice already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 It clearly states that there is no evidence for any other mechanism of action other than preventing ovulation. which contradicts Plan B's website FAQ, how does Plan B work. The good news is once implantation happens the plan b does not have an effect on the fetus...supposedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) which contradicts Plan B's website FAQ, how does Plan B work. The good news is once implantation happens the plan b does not have an effect on the fetus...supposedly. Yes, and if they are only measuring the abortive effects on pregnancies after implantation because that is when they believe is pregnancy begins then its findings are likely flawed. Edited May 2, 2013 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Yes, and if they are only measuring the abortive effects on pregnancies after implantation because that is when they believe is pregnancy begins then its findings are likely flawed. Yes. That is key. Does life begin at implantation or fertilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToJesusMyHeart Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Yes. That is key. Does life begin at implantation or fertilization. Fertilization, baby. Get it? Fertilization = baby. :lol4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Fertilization, baby. Get it? Fertilization = baby. :lol4: Yes, but many do not. :disguise: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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