Demonizing The Un-educated

[Norseman82]

Excellent subject change. I hope you do not change the subject when your corporate bosses point out that you are wrong.

 

i don't consider it to be a change of subject.  All I'm pointing out is that if you don't learn proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation, you will encounter barriers to getting ahead in life. 

[Nihil Obstat]

i don't consider it to be a change of subject.  All I'm pointing out is that if you don't learn proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation, you will encounter barriers to getting ahead in life. 

Iunno bro, seems like quite the change of subject to go to "language skills = good" from "there is no statistical link between texting and language skills."

That would be like if I argue, as I have argued in the past, "one drink does not necessarily impair one's judgement to a sinful degree", and you respond "GETTING DRUNK IS BAD MKAYYYYYYY."

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Edited May 2, 2013 by Nihil Obstat

[Norseman82]

Iunno bro, seems like quite the change of subject to go to "language skills = good" from "there is no statistical link between texting and language skills."

That would be like if I argue, as I have argued in the past, "one drink does not necessarily impair one's judgement to a sinful degree", and you respond "GETTING DRUNK IS BAD MKAYYYYYYY."

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It may take a generation or two before we see the full effects of "textspeak" by people who grow up with that as their normal language. 

 

Additionally, "spellcheck" is not a cure for everything, as there are multiple choices that can be presented as correct spelling, or the correct choice may not be defined in software applications.  Case in point:  I used to correct colleagues from overseas that it was "Please advise" and not "Please advice", until it was pointed out to me that in Microsoft's auto-correct/spellcheck database it was "Please advice". 

Edited May 2, 2013 by Norseman82

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Well, I wouldn't support euthanizing or killing the uneducated. I wouldn't support judging the less educated, either. Some very successful people had little formal education. There is a tendency to see others as less than human when we perceive them as "feeble minded". I think the OP is raising a good point. It seems incredibly easy to subconsciously dehumanize a person.  I'm too lazy to post examples.

 

 

Thats what i'm getting at. I can smell the pride oozing off some peoples words and mannerisms. So your educated, don't forget your manners.

[Gabriela]

Actual linguistic research demonstrates that there is no statistical link between texting and stunted language skills.

 

I knew you'd handle that one.

[Gabriela]

Thats what i'm getting at. I can smell the pride oozing off some peoples words and mannerisms. So your educated, don't forget your manners.

 

I'm sure it's oozing off of mine, even though I am educated and defend the rights of the uneducated to post "improper" writing in public forums and even to remain uneducated if they prefer.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

You're a pretty lazy troll. Try harder.

 

 He is correct about the not needing more than we need. But St teresa of avila talks about a relationship she had with ascholar of the church and said he definately had the holy spirit in him, previously she thought scholars where whack i assume or perhaps the area where she grew up or lived thought this. Scholars can have faith, but knowledge can not save.

 

St Paul " beware of those whom preach that knowledge can save." ( words to that effect anyway. Knowledge is ok and helpful but it can't save a person, that is jesus job.)

Edited May 2, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I wasn't arguing against correcting people. I was more upset with the idea that someone with poor writting skills has nothing to contribute to an online Catholic forum. It seemed a bit elitist to me. 

 

agreed

Edited May 2, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

The main trouble is that Strunk and White really did not understand English grammar as well as they pretended, so their advice is highly idiosyncratic and sometimes simply incorrect. Yet it is often pushed as gospel truth for young writers, which gives rise to the current generation of pedantic grammar nazis who do not actually know the rules on which they pontificate so generously. ;)

This article is what started my great distaste for The Elements of Style. :) Dr. Pullum is a genius.

 

Wow. How popular is this teaching ? This helps my understanding of young americans from the u.s if this is common practise now.

[Gabriela]

Wow. How popular is this teaching ? This helps my understanding of young americans from the u.s if this is common practise now.

 

It's pretty much the standard grammar book in every American college. If you don't get assigned it in an English class, you will get it assigned in some other writing-intensive course.

[Nihil Obstat]

It may take a generation or two before we see the full effects of "textspeak" by people who grow up with that as their normal language. 

 

Additionally, "spellcheck" is not a cure for everything, as there are multiple choices that can be presented as correct spelling, or the correct choice may not be defined in software applications.  Case in point:  I used to correct colleagues from overseas that it was "Please advise" and not "Please advice", until it was pointed out to me that in Microsoft's auto-correct/spellcheck database it was "Please advice". 

 

We already have a generation of kids who are now adults, and who grew up texting. The reality is already here, and the data... res ipsa loquitur.

 

Wow. How popular is this teaching ? This helps my understanding of young americans from the u.s if this is common practise now.

Among linguists, prescriptivists are beginning to lose the battle, as they should, because it is intellectually lazy and methodologically flawed. Among the public in general, prescriptivism still very much holds sway, and descriptivists are looked upon with horror.

Edited May 2, 2013 by Nihil Obstat

[Era Might]

It may take a generation or two before we see the full effects of "textspeak" by people who grow up with that as their normal language. 

 

Additionally, "spellcheck" is not a cure for everything, as there are multiple choices that can be presented as correct spelling, or the correct choice may not be defined in software applications.  Case in point:  I used to correct colleagues from overseas that it was "Please advise" and not "Please advice", until it was pointed out to me that in Microsoft's auto-correct/spellcheck database it was "Please advice". 

 

I don't think txtspeak (which I hate, just for the record, and do not engage in publicly, though I do in private texts) is any original danger. I think it's just an outgrowth of modern technical speak. Society and culture were already dead when we started speaking of "civilian casualties," "collateral damage," "human resources," etc. If anything, txtspeak is a refreshingly anarchic revolt against the standardized / technical culture of the 20th century.

Edited May 2, 2013 by Era Might

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I'm sure it's oozing off of mine, even though I am educated and defend the rights of the uneducated to post "improper" writing in public forums and even to remain uneducated if they prefer.

 

 

:)

[Ice_nine]

y'all is overthinking this

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

It's ok to pick on me.  I'm actually a guy...the hot pink is a nickname from college becuase I didn't bring the right sheets for my dorm matress and all the college store had was hot pink sheets.  The OP, and many other posters, demand that we understand their poor grammar and spelling and say and write things because they don't want to change, for instance "Jesus iz Lord"....is that REALLY necessary?  Since the OP used is correctly, it's obviously not a matter of not knowing how to spell is or use is, but a deliberate wallowing in ignorance.

 

I am addressing more of the practical sides of the matter.  If you can't write the given language on a board and refuse to learn or be corrected than stay off.  I don't mind people who are trying, who use incorrect tenses or phrases...that's endearing   Those who publish long, unreadable posts and are told that they are such or have people guess at what their asking then get mad, may want to reconsider their membership.

 

Your full of assumptions upon things i never said. I never said i don't wan't to have better grammer, it's just not as bad as some of you make out. Also i never demanded anything about having to understand me, Though shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour, that's one of the ten commandments right.? That is more offensive to me than speradict grammer or just off spelling mistakes, which is usauly how people on here try and correct me, with things i never said.

Edited May 2, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye