Nihil Obstat Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Wait... using clay vessels is liturgical abuse? I admit I didn't like it when I saw it, but I didn't know it's verboten. Is it? 'Tis. They are supposed to be precious metal ideally, or, I think the term is 'other worthy material'- with glass and clay being excluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 'Tis. They are supposed to be precious metal ideally, or, I think the term is 'other worthy material'- with glass and clay being excluded. Oh, Lawd. That Mass at the campus ministry just got that much worse... Please excuse me. I need to go post in Ask a Scholar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Wait... using clay vessels is liturgical abuse? I admit I didn't like it when I saw it, but I didn't know it's verboten. Is it? They're preferably to be in gold or silver, but seeing as how those are so expensive, the usual chalices are normally a mix of metal, ranging from (I think) tin and such. But it absolutely cannot be done with clay or anything else like it, from plastic cups to wine glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 They're preferably to be in gold or silver, but seeing as how those are so expensive, the usual chalices are normally a mix of metal, ranging from (I think) tin and such. But it absolutely cannot be done with clay or anything else like it, from plastic cups to wine glasses. Ok. What if a parish is so poor that it can't afford anything made of metal? (Or is that just ridiculously unlikely?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Ok. What if a parish is so poor that it can't afford anything made of metal? (Or is that just ridiculously unlikely?) It's ridiculously unlikely. If it's just that bad, there are parishes all over the world with two or more back-up chalices they can donate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiiMichael Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Tolle Lege Tolle, et egrediar, Troglodytarum. Get on my level, n00b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) I assumed that this was about Ardill's love life. BAM! Edited May 1, 2013 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I assumed that this was about Ardill's love life. BAM! No, dude, that thread was titled "Hasan's mom" and got moved to the Lame Board already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 hey.. anyone need a hug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 hey.. anyone need a hug? I'll take one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTrishaxLynnx Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I assumed that this was about Ardill's love life. BAM! No, dude, that thread was titled "Hasan's mom" and got moved to the Lame Board already. I feel bad for finding both of these funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Though standing and kneeling invoke different kinds of symbolism, does that make them equal in their significance? Also, in my previous post, I was not talking about kneeling while receiving , but kneeling during the consecration. What did you mean obeying our bishops when we don't want to? I am not supporting anything that is contrary to what the Church teaches. In the US, we have the option of kneeling or standing. If one's bishop says that he wants everyone to do one or the other, we should obey him out of respect for his authority, even if we don't feel like it. So while both are good and holy and acceptable postures according to the Church, a bishop is free and able to make the call about what he wants in his diocese concerning things like this. So, for example, a while ago when my bishop at the time made standing the norm in my diocese, my priest had to ask permission for us to kneel, otherwise we'd be flouting his authority and that's sinful. My bishop gladly gave it, though it made for some strange looks and interesting conversations when my parish's youth group went to a retreat put on by the diocese. Everyone was confused as to why we were kneeling, and we were confused as to why they were standing. :hehe2: Then my priest explained it to us. My point in bringing it up is that when we're figuring out which liturgical posture we want to do we have to take what our own bishop has said about the matter into account (if he's said anything at all). You can't just go over his head and do what you want because that's how they do it in Rome. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLordsSouljah Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 A couple of years ago on the tenth anniversary of my First Holy Communion, I went back to the parish where it happened. I went to kneel, and the priest (the same one as ten years before) made me get up again in front of everyone... for the sake of 'conformity'. I cried. So for the sake of conforming to a less devout (though I must admit still obviously valid) practice, I was not allowed to do my God a fraction of the adoration deserved. 'Scuse me peoples, scenes of devotion are now banned!...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiiMichael Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 A couple of years ago on the tenth anniversary of my First Holy Communion, I went back to the parish where it happened. I went to kneel, and the priest (the same one as ten years before) made me get up again in front of everyone... for the sake of 'conformity'. I cried. So for the sake of conforming to a less devout (though I must admit still obviously valid) practice, I was not allowed to do my God a fraction of the adoration deserved. 'Scuse me peoples, scenes of devotion are now banned!...' Devoutness comes from out inner disposition, not from our outward position. I prefer kneeling too, but to say that kneeling is objectively more devout than standing is clearly false, especially when the symbolism of standing has been stated previously in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLordsSouljah Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Devoutness comes from out inner disposition, not from our outward position. I prefer kneeling too, but to say that kneeling is objectively more devout than standing is clearly false, especially when the symbolism of standing has been stated previously in this thread. Ahh, true. Good point. Sorry about that. It is truly about what is in ones heart. I guess I was just rather saddened that the priest couldn't accept more than one form of devotion. Pax! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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