Questions About Catholics Smoking Marijuana

[MarysLittleFlower]

If im not mistaken it talks about non prescribed mind altering drugs.

I dont think its vague at all to classify marijuana as mind altering drugs. The catechism talks about use of mind altering drugs as sinful. So using non prescribed marijuana is a sin according to th e catechism. I dont think any honest person could debate this unless they are trying to argue the catechism is wrong.

 

that's my understanding too.

 

How I understanding mind altering is = affects your reason so you can't make decisions with the same reasoning capacity as usual

 

So: you're tired and have some sugar.. probably not mind altering. Even though it "alters the mind". I don't think that's what we're talking about here.

 

But drugs that give hallucinations, change how you think, make it harder to make right decisions: it's like being drunk. God gave us a reason and a free will, we shouldn't take those away from ourselves or anyone.

 

That's just my understanding of drugs... I don't know I could be wrong, maybe I'll ask a priest to check.

Edited May 18, 2013 by MarysLittleFlower

[Nihil Obstat]

Isn't it a sin to get drunk? so same with drugs? aren't we supposed to stay sober and with a clear mind, so we can make the right decisions?

It certainly is sinful to get drunk. :)

[MarysLittleFlower]

It certainly is sinful to get drunk. :)

 

So I don't see how drugs are different :)

[Nihil Obstat]

So I don't see how drugs are different :)

Nor do I, in a general sense.

[Norseman82]

Fear not. Nobody understands him.

 

 

:idontknow: It is a simple fact, nothing more. We just do not understand your posts. If you want more substantive responses, then you should work at making yourself more understandable.

 

 

No one ever understands Tab's posts, but somehow his entries in this thread are still very convincing arguments against drug use.

 

This may be a cause of worry to some of you. but I undrstood what Tab was trying to get at - I just sensed that he was frustrated with Jeff and it came out in his writing style.  I guess it's one of those things where if you heard Tab say it in person everyone would understand the point he was getting across. 

[CatholicsAreKewl]

When did this discussion turn into a "senseless picking on Tab" thread? 

[CatholicsAreKewl]

what rationale do you have for caffeine being a mind altering drug?  In my fallen away days I did a few mind altering drugs and let me tell you they are nothing like caffeine.  Its not even close.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-21/high-caffeine-use-linked-to-psychotic-symptoms/2766144

[havok579257]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-21/high-caffeine-use-linked-to-psychotic-symptoms/2766144

 

 

that is a horrible study.  lack of participants and no age variation alone make it horrible. 

[CatholicsAreKewl]

that is a horrible study.  lack of participants and no age variation alone make it horrible. 

Lol, I was just listing a random study. To say caffeine is not in any way "mind-altering" is insane. Stop trolling me, havok.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407709

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22472312

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22017226

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20194494

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20164571

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18455857

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407709

 

http://web.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.lib.uh.edu/ehost/detail?sid=a0bc2a5d-0f99-4ea5-a580-82dbe7b17c66%40sessionmgr110&vid=1&hid=122&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ%3d%3d#db=a9h&AN=43112787

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[havok579257]

Lol, I was just listing a random study. To say caffeine is not in any way "mind-altering" is insane. Stop trolling me, havok.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407709

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22472312

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22017226

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20194494

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20164571

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18455857

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19407709

 

http://web.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.lib.uh.edu/ehost/detail?sid=a0bc2a5d-0f99-4ea5-a580-82dbe7b17c66%40sessionmgr110&vid=1&hid=122&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ%3d%3d#db=a9h&AN=43112787

http://web.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.lib.uh.edu/ehost/detail?sid=c7a2f926-ba4a-40f0-91ea-cc2da51b8e4a%40sessionmgr115&vid=1&hid=122&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ%3d%3d#db=a9h&AN=64849332

 

 

its not mind altering.  Cocaine is mind altering.  Marijuana is mind altering.  PCP is mind altering.  No way, no how does caffeine even compare in the slightest to hardcore illegal drugs.

[havok579257]

also those studies are horrible.  there are 2 repeats in there and in the studies the patients already had some type of mental disorder going on like schizophrenia  or they were sleep deprived.  I really hope this is not what your forming you basis off of.  The studies are bad.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

also those studies are horrible.  there are 2 repeats in there and in the studies the patients already had some type of mental disorder going on like schizophrenia  or they were sleep deprived.  I really hope this is not what your forming you basis off of.  The studies are bad.

lol Havok, in case ur 5 real not trollin, i'll do my best to break it down. Caffeine is a stimulant. A stimulant is a psychoactive drug. Psychoactive drugs affect brain functioning. It's that simple. I am curious to find out why you dislike these studies. The last two, if you are able to open them, might be up to your standards.

Btw, it's easier to overdose on coffee than marijuana. If you want to test this yourself, be my guest. Drink 20 cups of coffee tomorrow and tell me how you feel. 

Edited May 20, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl

[havok579257]

lol Havok, in case ur 5 real not trollin, i'll do my best to break it down. Caffeine is a stimulant. A stimulant is a psychoactive drug. Psychoactive drugs affect brain functioning. It's that simple. I am curious to find out why you dislike these studies. The last two, if you are able to open them, might be up to your standards.

Btw, it's easier to overdose on coffee than marijuana. If you want to test this yourself, be my guest. Drink 20 cups of coffee tomorrow and tell me how you feel. 

 

 

I am unable to open the last 2 studies because they are from a college and require a login to access these studies.

 

do you know from personal experience its easier to overdose on coffee than marijuana?  Just saying something does not make it true.

 

I hope then your against chocolate because that is considered a stimulant also. No chocolate because its mind altering right?  You know since chocolate does have caffeine in it?   Same with all tea's.

 

So is it your statement that chocolate, tea and coffee are on the same level as cocaine, pcp, heroin, acid, marijuana? 

[CatholicsAreKewl]

I am unable to open the last 2 studies because they are from a college and require a login to access these studies.

I apologize. I had a feeling those two links I provided might not work. I'll post them up later when i'm not really really lazy.
 

 

do you know from personal experience its easier to overdose on coffee than marijuana?  Just saying something does not make it true.

 

I hope then your against chocolate because that is considered a stimulant also. No chocolate because its mind altering right?  You know since chocolate does have caffeine in it?   Same with all tea's.

 

So is it your statement that chocolate, tea and coffee are on the same level as cocaine, pcp, heroin, acid, marijuana?

 

I am saying that the definition of "mind altering" in the Catechism seems too vague. If you want to argue against mind altering drugs, then I believe all of them should be included. If caffeine in moderation is accepted, I don't see why a very small dose of THC would be so bad? Btw, If you're not actually trolling, I apologize. I really enjoy coming across people who hold beliefs completely contrary to mine. I get overly excited, only to find out that those I had spent a great deal of time debating with ended up being trolls. YOU BETTER NOT BE A TROLL, HAVOK.  :mad:

 

Edited May 20, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl

[havok579257]

 

I apologize. I had a feeling those two links I provided might not work. I'll post them up later when i'm not really really lazy.
 

 

I am saying that the definition of "mind altering" in the Catechism seems too vague. If you want to argue against mind altering drugs, then I believe all of them should be included. If caffeine in moderation is accepted, I don't see why a very small dose of THC would be so bad? Btw, If you're not actually trolling, I apologize. I really enjoy coming across people who hold beliefs completely contrary to mine. I get overly excited, only to find out that those I had spent a great deal of time debating with ended up being trolls. YOU BETTER NOT BE A TROLL, HAVOK.  :mad:

 

 

 

The catechism is not vague.  Its only vague if your trying to interperet it that way.  Also excess caffeine/coffee can be bad as excess anything can be bad.  Here's the thing, the catechism talks about unless a drug is strictly used for therapeutic reasons its a sin.  I would say the vast overwhelming majority of people who drink caffeine do it for the therapeutic effects which caffeine does have many therapeutic effects.  If your a healthy person(ie not cancerous or sick from some other medical problem) what therapeutic effect are people trying to get from smoking marijuana?  I would say the overwhelmingly vast majority of healthy people smoke marijuana to get high. 

 

catholicsarekewl, I am not a troll I have been here for a long time.  I just do not hold a lot of the same views people on here do(unless it comes to church teachings because that is something we can all agree on).