Tolerance

[GeorgiiMichael]

Excommunication is a worse punishment because it isn't temporal, it's spiritual. Firing someone for embracing sin is a much less harsh punishment.

 

Try harder.

[4588686]

I'm excommunicated. It's disrupted my life much less than my career being destroyed right after my mother dying.

[Chestertonian]

She might have had to sign some sort of a "church teaching" contract when she was hired.

[GeorgiiMichael]

I'm excommunicated. It's disrupted my life much less than my career being destroyed right after my mother dying.

 

Thank you for your input.

[4588686]

Thank you for your input.

You're welcome. If you'd like any more thoughts from somebody with firsthand experience of the Church's 'fraternal correction' just let me know.

[Chestertonian]

To the OP: I hope you're at least equally as outraged about the treatment of gays and women in some sectors of Islam.

[Winchester]

I think it's an unfair leap to assume that every male watches porn. I'm a male and I don't.

 

The underlying point is true though, we all sin in some way some times, but it shouldn't cost us our jobs (well, within reason haha. If you come into work and kill a few people then yeah, I think a firing is in order).

 

He said "every male teacher at that school". Are you a male teacher at that school?

[4588686]

This school is definitely a cut above the Saudi Monarchy. Nobody can take that away from them.

[hotpink]

Lets get a few facts straight.

 

1.  The teacher's career was not "ruined"  she was fired from ONE school.  She did not loose her license to teach.  The school did not publicly condemn her teaching skill.

 

2.  The Catholic Church dosn't go around firing people who have just lost their mother, it was the sad co-incidence that brought this to light.

 

3.  Co-habitation in any forms should be grounds for firing from a Catholic school.  I live in the west and there are plenty of pods of polygamy.  Many of them are amazing people.  However, the Catholic schools don't hire these people.  No one whines about their "rights" to a personal life.

 

 

With that said.  The school should of given her a chance to rectify her living situation before letting her go.  Then again, she should of known she was not living up to the pretty basic standards of the Catholic Church.  To me (I'm not Catholic) co-habitation is the issue, not gay....but everyone pays attention because it's a gay issue.

[Chestertonian]

Thankfully countries like Iran don't have to deal with such issues, because according to ol' Mahmoud, they dont have "homos in Iran."

Edited April 24, 2013 by Chestertonian

[Nihil Obstat]

Thankfully countries like Iran don't have to deal with such issues, because according to ol' Mahmoud, they dont have "homos in Iran."

Sounds like the title of a good ol' hippie protest song... "Homos in Iran"... Nice rhythm to it.

Perhaps Bob Dylan will write it for us. And pledge 6-8% of the song's royalties to Phatmass.

[Socrates]

Unfortunately it seems that the diocese of Colbumus Ohio has forgotten this very important lesson. They recently fired a physical education teacher who had been working at a catholic school for 19 years when they discovered that she was gay. The teacher's mother passed away in February and the obituary mentioned the teacher's partner, a woman's name. She was not teaching her students anything she shouldn't. She was fired for one reason, she was gay.

 

If this isn't intolerance, I don't know what is. In my opinion, "You can't have this job because you're gay" is not a message that should be associated with the teachings of Christ.

 

Check out the story here.

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/high-school-fires-teacher-after-her-partners-name-appeared-i

 

First, kudos to this Catholic school for standing up for Catholic moral principles, unfashionable and politically incorrect as they may be.

 

Second, while you may not like this school's decision, it is certainly not going against the teachings of the Church on this matter;  

 

From a CDF document written by Cardinal Ratzinger (formally Pope Benedict XVI):  

 

 

10. “Sexual orientation” does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf.Letter, no. 3) and evokes moral concern.

 

11. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.

 

 

 

From SOME CONSIDERATIONS CONCERNING THE RESPONSE TO LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS ON THE NON-DISCRIMINATION OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS

 

An integral part of the mission of a good Catholic school is to provide moral guidance and positive example to the children attending, and the teachers should be good models of Catholic morality. If a teacher or coach is publicly living a lifestyle contrary to Catholic morality, it compromises that mission.

 

A private, religious school is perfectly within its rights to take into consideration their adherence to norms of Catholic morality when hiring and firing teachings.

 

Knowing the Venerable Fulton Sheen's uncompromising devotion to Catholic moral teaching, I'm certain he'd applaud this school's decision.

 

For instance, I am certainly not entitled to employment by a Muslim school if I publicly lead a lifestyle blatantly opposed to the teachings of Islam.

 

 

Almost all of their male employees watch porn, I'm willing to bet.  I don't see any justification for this.  She didn't bring her partner to work.  But it certainly was classy to use information which slipped out with her mother's death to fire her.  Nothing like mourning a parent's death while you sit home unemployed.  

 

This is why the Church is dying in every country or region where tolerance and respect for differences is the norm.  Good riddance.  

 

I'm sure if a teacher was caught with pornography in his desk, or emailing porn to others, he would likewise be subject to termination.  Or if a teacher was known to act in, produce or distribute porn outside of school, or moonlight as a prostitute, stripper, or other profession contrary to Catholic morality.  Or if a teacher had publicly lived in an adulterous relationship.

 

Really, since you despise the Church so much, I'm not sure why this is of so much concern to you.  I'm sure the gym teacher could easily find work with an employer which does not have such awful repressive moral values.

[Chestertonian]

Sounds like the title of a good ol' hippie protest song... "Homos in Iran"... Nice rhythm to it.

Perhaps Bob Dylan will write it for us. And pledge 6-8% of the song's royalties to Phatmass.

 

You might be on to something there.

[Socrates]

Dear Hassan,

 

Gay people are not dogs in heat. They are full-fledged, dignified human beings, perfectly capable of conscious and deliberate self-direction. They, like people of all sexual orientations, freely  choose those they do and do not sleep with.

 

Gay sex/straight sex is a choice. There is one type of sexual activity that is not a free choice and that is called "rape."

 

From the CDF letter I cited earlier:  

 â€œWhat is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behavior of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well”

[Socrates]

Furthermore, the diocese did nothing to confirm that she was engaging in sexual activities with her partner. Sure, it's a pretty safe assumption, but still an assumption nonetheless. My partner (my girlfriend) and I don't have sex because we're waiting for marriage (and no, we don't live together before everyone jumps on that bandwagon). The point I'm making is that this was not dealt with in a responsible or fair way. It was as simple as "She likes a person of the same sex, she is fired."

 

I had a male roomate for a while, was that a sin?

 

While I'm not privy to the nuts and bolts of the situation of the firing any more that you are, I'm pretty certain there was more to the issue than simply having a housemate of the same sex.