Negative Criticism Of Other Religions

[Guest Raz]

I would say, you know a lot of Muslims and Christians.

 

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[BG45]

 

I'd say it sounds like what the Muslim woman in the office down the hall would say? :)

[homeschoolmom]

How do you even sleep at night?

[Socrates]

 

I'd say you're pretty quick with the inane cliche.

 

 

While it's true that the solid majority of Muslims want nothing to do with terrorism, there is a school of Islam which preaches violent Jihad and terrorism which has millions of members around the globe, and is actually dominant or very strong in certain places.  So-called "radical Islam" is actually on the rise around the world, with "moderate" mosques being "radicalized" - often at the funding of radical Saudi Islamists.  A greater number of Muslims empathize with Islamic terror, even while not actively involved in it.  Note the cheering and celebration in certain parts of the world after the 9-11 attacks.

 

No one here is claiming all Muslims are terrorists or other such nonsense, so there is no point in attacking that strawman.

 

As I'm Catholic, and believe Islam to be a false man-made religion, I find debates about whether peaceful "moderate" Islam or "radical Islam" is "true Islam" to be rather meaningless, as I believe there to be no such thing as "true Islam."  However, the lives of Mohammed and the original followers of Islam were far from peaceful and non-violent.

 

 

By contrast, the Westboro Baptist Church consists of essentially just one family of nutjobs and a few associates, who are universally reviled.  I have no respect for the Westboro Baptists, but for all their disgusting antics, as far as I'm aware, never actually killed anyone.  This stands in contrast to the high body count of Islamic terrorists around the globe.

 

 

I get your point, which is valid to a certain extent, but trying to equivocate Islam and Christianity as being exactly the same with regards to terrorism and such, while pc, is factually quite inaccurate.

[Socrates]

"Islam is a false religion made up of nothing but suicide bombers . . ."  <-- Not acceptable.

 

 

Well, that would end the whole issue of Islam pretty fast.

 

 

"It's getting harder and harder to find suicide bombers.  All the really good ones are gone."  ~  from An American Carol

[Chestertonian]

Well, that would end the whole issue of Islam pretty fast.

 

 

"It's getting harder and harder to find suicide bombers.  All the really good ones are gone."  ~  from An American Carol

 

Probably the only funny line from that entire movie.

[Guest Raz]

I'd say you're pretty quick with the inane cliche.

 

 

While it's true that the solid majority of Muslims want nothing to do with terrorism, there is a school of Islam which preaches violent Jihad and terrorism which has millions of members around the globe, and is actually dominant or very strong in certain places.  So-called "radical Islam" is actually on the rise around the world, with "moderate" mosques being "radicalized" - often at the funding of radical Saudi Islamists.  A greater number of Muslims empathize with Islamic terror, even while not actively involved in it.  Note the cheering and celebration in certain parts of the world after the 9-11 attacks.

 

I get your point, which is valid to a certain extent, but trying to equivocate Islam and Christianity as being exactly the same with regards to terrorism and such, while pc, is factually quite inaccurate.

 

Solid majority indeed. Millions of Muslims around the world are outspoken against the terrorist acts of their fellow muslims.

 

While Westboro Baptist is the only church this meme mentions, there is definitely a larger population of christian extremists around the country with exactly the same philosophies and act in a very similar way. In terms of raw numbers the radical muslims might outnumber the christian extremists, but the principle certainly applies.

 

If suggesting that we should not judge many by the actions of a few is cliche, then I'm totally fine being cliche.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Raz

[Apotheoun]

I am sure that there are many good Muslims, but Islam teaches that violence is acceptable against non-believers; for in fact according to the Islamic schools of jurisprudence there is to be an unremitting war against what they call the Dar al-Harb (the Abode of War), i.e., the area of the world that has not come under Islamic domination. It is important for Christians to remember that Islam is a false ideology that has sadly caused millions (even billions) of people to fall into theological error. The charitable and Christian thing to do is to preach the Good News of Christ and help to bring Muslims out of error and darkness into the Light of Christ, the sole Savior of mankind.

Edited April 25, 2013 by Apotheoun

[Guest Raz]

I am sure that there are many good Muslims, but Islam teaches that violence is acceptable against non-believers; for in fact according to the Islamic schools of jurisprudence there is to be an unremitting war against what they call the Dar al-Harb (the Abode of War), i.e., the area of the world that has not come under Islamic domination. It is important for Christians to remember that Islam is a false ideology that has sadly caused millions (even billions) of people to fall into theological error. The charitable and Christian thing to do is to preach the Good News of Christ and help to bring Muslims out of error and darkness into the Light of Christ, the sole Savior of mankind.

 

I could not agree more that it is important to remember that Islam is a false religion, and as a Catholic it's pretty easy to remember that haha. We should definitely all be spreading the good news, as you say.

 

One thing to mention, Islam does not teach that violence is acceptable or encouraged against non-believers as a universal law of their religion, just like Christianity doesn't teach teach us that all people outside of the tribe of Levi can be enslaved as universal law of our religion. These passages are meant for specific people at a specific time, they are not guiding principals of their respective religions. However, some extremist and radical groups of people take them out of context and use them to justify their hateful actions. The Christians aren't violent about it though, we've got a bit more sense than that!

Edited April 25, 2013 by Raz

[Apotheoun]

I could not agree more that it is important to remember that Islam is a false religion, and as a Catholic it's pretty easy to remember that haha. We should definitely all be spreading the good news, as you say.

I am glad that you know that Islam is false. You would not believe the number of Catholics I have talked to during my more than 25 years as a Catholic who did not know that was the case.

[ardillacid]

Basically, the rule is for cry baby pee pants. 

[Socrates]

Solid majority indeed. Millions of Muslims around the world are outspoken against the terrorist acts of their fellow muslims.

 

Some have, but many others have not.  The silence of many Mosques regarding acts of terrorism has actually been much commented on.  But it's largely irrelevant to the point here.  No one claimed most Muslims are terrorists or terrorist-supporters.

 

While Westboro Baptist is the only church this meme mentions, there is definitely a larger population of christian extremists around the country with exactly the same philosophies and act in a very similar way. In terms of raw numbers the radical muslims might outnumber the christian extremists, but the principle certainly applies.

 

 

The numbers don't compare at all.  There's been 8969 people killed (and many more wounded) by Islamic terrorist attacks since the '70s.  There's simply nothing comparable by "Christian extremists."  

 

Perhaps you can name some of these other groups that act just like the Westboro Baptists, since apparently they're so common.  I'm not aware of any other "Christian" group that pickets funerals of soldiers and such, or does anything comparable.  The outrageousness of their antics is precisely why this tiny cult gets so much media attention.

 

These violent Christians we're supposed to be so afraid of seem to be largely the product of fevered liberal imaginations.

 

If suggesting that we should not judge many by the actions of a few is cliche, then I'm totally fine being cliche.

 

 

That's fine, but largely irrelevant to the discussion, as no one is claiming to judge all Muslim persons.

 

If you're trying to imply that Christians are just the same as Muslims with regard to violence and terror, you're wrong.

[Apotheoun]

I agree with Socrates. When it comes to violence the Westboro Baptist Church is a Mickey Mouse outfit in comparison to Islam. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church picket at funerals, and hold up signs that many people deem to be offensive in nature, but they do not behead people for converting to a different religion.

[homeschoolmom]

I agree with Socrates. When it comes to violence the Westboro Baptist Church is a Mickey Mouse outfit in comparison to Islam. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church picket at funerals, and hold up signs that many people deem to be offensive in nature, but they do not behead people for converting to a different religion.

WBC is also very, very careful in following the law. You never hear of them being arrested, do you?

 

They never actually cause anyone to die-- they just rejoice when it happens.

[Papist]

I could not agree more that it is important to remember that Islam is a false religion, and as a Catholic it's pretty easy to remember that haha. We should definitely all be spreading the good news, as you say.

 

One thing to mention, Islam does not teach that violence is acceptable or encouraged against non-believers as a universal law of their religion, just like Christianity doesn't teach teach us that all people outside of the tribe of Levi can be enslaved as universal law of our religion. These passages are meant for specific people at a specific time, they are not guiding principals of their respective religions. However, some extremist and radical groups of people take them out of context and use them to justify their hateful actions. The Christians aren't violent about it though, we've got a bit more sense than that!

 

Islam is more that a religion. I highly suggest you read, http://www.amazon.com/Not-Peace-But-Sword-Christianity/dp/1938983289/ref=la_B001JPACI0_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366988946&sr=1-1 and/or http://www.amazon.com/Why-Left-Jihad-Terrorism-Radical/dp/0977102114/ref=la_B001JS34H8_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366989517&sr=1-1