Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) The following is from The Creed of Ahmad ibn Hanbal (the Hanbali school is one of the most important in Sunni Islam): "The predetermination of everything is from Allah, both of the good and the evil, of the little and the much, of what is outward and what is inward, of what is sweet and what is bitter, of what is liked and what is disliked, of what is fine and what is bad, of what is first and what is last. It is a decree He has decreed and a predetermination He has predetermined for human beings. Not one of them opposes Allah's will or does other than His decree; but all of them come to what He has created them for and fulfill what He has predetermined for them to do. This is justice on His part. Adultery, theft, wine-drinking, homicide, consuming unlawful wealth, idolatry and all sins come about by Allah's decree and predetermination, without any of the creatures having an argument against Allah, although He has a conclusive argument against His creatures. He is not questioned about what He does, but they are questioned." As a Christian I find this statement to be utterly devoid of truth in that it advocates a form of evil, i.e., by predicating God as the cause of all sins. Edited April 22, 2013 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Raelianism is stupid. All Raelians are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 If you feel that a post is an attack on another religion, hit the post button. Yeah, but I don't know if my personal "harmful attacks on other religions" meter is way different than what counts on this site, so I don't want to be "that guy" who is reporting posts unnecessarily. Which is why I'm posting this thread, because I'm trying to figure out exactly what the mods think counts for Phatmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Catholics must not hide the Light under a bushel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 There actually have been Muslims on here at times in the past. I've also seen Catholics attempt to defend Islam as something inherently good in itself. (This used to be a very hot topic on this site.) Absolutely. Okay, this helps a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 To be honest, it's often a judgement call on the part of the moderators. Each report is taken on a case by case basis and we do the best we can. Some cases are very easy. Others are more nuanced and require much more discussion among the mods. (I would guess that most of you would have no idea how much we discuss some reports.) Personally, I try to think how I would want Catholicism represented on Protestant, atheist, Muslim or other boards and try to moderate likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 There actually have been Muslims on here at times in the past. . That was a very poor experiment. :P The only winning move was not to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 To be honest, it's often a judgement call on the part of the moderators. Each report is taken on a case by case basis and we do the best we can. Some cases are very easy. Others are more nuanced and require much more discussion among the mods. (I would guess that most of you would have no idea how much we discuss some reports.) Personally, I try to think how I would want Catholicism represented on Protestant, atheist, Muslim or other boards and try to moderate likewise. THANK YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Yeah, but I don't know if my personal "harmful attacks on other religions" meter is way different than what counts on this site, so I don't want to be "that guy" who is reporting posts unnecessarily. Which is why I'm posting this thread, because I'm trying to figure out exactly what the mods think counts for Phatmass. Snitches get stitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 In the final analysis a man must simply speak the truth and if that gets him in trouble at an internet forum . . . so be it. After all, every man will be judged by Christ based upon what he has said and done and if he failed to stand up for the truth as he knew it, he will be judged accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 In the final analysis a man must simply speak the truth and if that gets him in trouble at an internet forum . . . so be it. After all, every man will be judged by Christ based upon what he has said and done and if he failed to stand up for the truth as he knew it, he will be judged accordingly. Oh come on. I have said over and over again that my issue isn't about "speaking truth." It's HOW we speak the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 That was a very poor experiment. :P The only winning move was not to play. There were actually some good threads that came out of that. I like the one where the Islamic doctrine of bi-la kaifa was discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Oh come on. I have said over and over again that my issue isn't about "speaking truth." It's HOW we speak the truth. Each person will state the truth in the manner that he is capable of doing. Judging the presentation is just a nice way of trying to enforce a politically correct viewpoint and stifle debate. I am not going to be offended by your presentation of the truth, even if - say - I think it could be presented differently or better. Edited April 22, 2013 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Maybe the reasons that the majority of debates at Phatmass focus on the inane issue of the "historical Jesus" versus the "fictitious gnostic Jesus" who never really lived on earth is because debate is not encouraged at this forum anymore. Phatmass used to have lots of really great theological debates, but those days ended a long time ago. Edited April 22, 2013 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 Each person will state the truth in the manner that he is capable of doing. Judging the presentation is just a nice way of trying to enforce a politically correct viewpoint and stifle debate. I am not going to be offended by your presentation of the truth, even if - say - I think it could be presented differently or better. It's not politically correct. It's called being respectful. That's great if you aren't offended by the way someone "presents" truth. But reality is that lots of people are, especially on an internet forum, and those of us with the ability to work well with words have an obligation to be considerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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