CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share Posted April 14, 2013 I fully affirm the traditional doctrine of theosis. It does not mean Mary was divine. Mary went through the process of theosis and was deified. How is she not divine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Mary went through the process of theosis and was deified. How is she not divine? Because she is not God. Aquinas: Now the gift of grace surpasses every capability of created nature, since it is nothing short of a partaking of the Divine Nature, which exceeds every other nature. And thus it is impossible that any creature should cause grace. For it is as necessary that God alone should deify, bestowing a partaking of the Divine Nature by a participated likeness, as it is impossible that anything save fire should enkindle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share Posted April 14, 2013 (edited) Because she is not God. Aquinas: Now the gift of grace surpasses every capability of created nature, since it is nothing short of a partaking of the Divine Nature, which exceeds every other nature. And thus it is impossible that any creature should cause grace. For it is as necessary that God alone should deify, bestowing a partaking of the Divine Nature by a participated likeness, as it is impossible that anything save fire should enkindle. Aquinas makes some good points... but he's pretty old. He might be getting senile. "Prostitution in the towns is like the cesspool in the palace: take away the cesspool and the palace will become an unclean and evil-smelling place." Besides what ever happened to this quote: " God became man so that man could become God." Edited April 14, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen Marx Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Aquinas makes some good points... but he's pretty old. He might be getting senile. "Prostitution in the towns is like the cesspool in the palace: take away the cesspool and the palace will become an unclean and evil-smelling place." Besides what ever happened to this quote: " God became man so that man could become God." I am pretty sure that we only become God in the sense that when we are in Heaven we become perfectly one with God our Creator. We do not ourselves become Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Oh goodness. The force is not strong with this one. Does anyone else want to take over? I do not want to get another warning for calling someone a heretic. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 I am pretty sure that we only become God in the sense that when we are in Heaven we become perfectly one with God our Creator. We do not ourselves become Gods. We do not become "Gods" but doesn't theosis imply that we become one with God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) It implies union with God through the process of co-operation with God's grace. So in the sense that "union with" is comparable to "becoming one with", then yes, but in that highly qualified sense only. What theosis decidedly does not imply is an ontological change of the soul such that a human creature such as ourselves literally becomes a god. Christ in the hypostatic union had dual natures, human and divine. We have one nature only: human. That nature does not change. Our nature can be perfected, through that union, through God's grace, but not changed. Edited April 15, 2013 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 It implies union with God through the process of co-operation with God's grace. So in the sense that "union with" is comparable to "becoming one with", then yes, but in that highly qualified sense only. What theosis decidedly does not imply is an ontological change of the soul such that a human creature such as ourselves literally becomes a god. Christ in the hypostatic union had dual natures, human and divine. We have one nature only: human. That nature does not change. Our nature can be perfected, through that union, through God's grace, but not changed. Would you say that as creations of God, we are an extension of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Would you say that as creations of God, we are an extension of him? What do you mean by "extension"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen Marx Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 We do not become "Gods" but doesn't theosis imply that we become one with God? That is what I said. We become one with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 That is what I said. We become one with God. Then are we not God through God? Then Mary is God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Then are we not God through God? Then Mary is God. Mary is not God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Then are we not God through God? Then Mary is God. How does a created being become uncreated? Do you see the problem here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 How does a created being become uncreated? Do you see the problem here? What does theosis imply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 What does theosis imply? Perfect union with God through co-operation with His grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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