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jim111

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Yeah, it's a claim I'm making.   :)  You don't have to run around killing women and thinking they're the same as animals to be a misogynist.  I'm not throwing him in the fire, either.  It's just as bad to throw away a great saint because he had flaws as it is to ignore all the flaws he had.  Like Beatitude said, the modesty rules at the Vatican are different, it's a different situation.  I find it ESPECIALLY problematic (and ironic) that St.Pio would deny women the sacrament concerned with contrition and forgiveness of sin because he made a judgment about their personal conviction based solely on their clothing...And this is coming from a guy who supposedly could READ SOULS.  WHY bother with judging a woman's contrition based solely on her skirt length (or wearing a skirt at all) when you HAVE THE ABILITY to see what their true state of contrition is?  

 

If he had made all the men come to confession wearing a button down shirt and tie, then I wouldn't have as big of a problem with it, because THEN it would be clear he's trying to foster a respect for the sacrament in all people.  

 

One day Padre Pio's spiritual director reproached him for his harsh conduct. He replied: "I could obey you, but each time it is Jesus who tells me how I am to deal with people."

He also said "I beg you not to criticize me by invoking charity, because the greatest charity is to deliver souls held fast by Satan in order to win them over to Christ."

 

 

Back in the day of Padre Pio there was no face to face confessions, the priest was in a confessional. If it was not divine inspriration that gave him this insight how did he know what the girls were wearing. I'm not arguing but it was always my understanding that this was divine inspiration.

 

 

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The priest could usually see them before they walked in. Also, who was the source of that story of the SD to Pio conversation? Once again, pious legend most likely. How about we stay away from those and focus on the theological basis of modesty. Even saints can be wrong. (e.g.-Thomas Aquinas)

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Lilllabettt

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I am looking forward to summer because I will once again be able to don my Imam-approved swimsuit and face riptide death once or twice.

In that long sleeved, long pants suit I feel good. I feel relaxed. I don't worry about looking fat or my butt cheecks accidentally showing. I DON'T HAVE TO SHAVE MY LEGS.

I always have that twinge of embarassment in the beginning of the summer that someone will judge me as wierd or a modesty fanatic.

But then I remember I DON'T HAVE TO SHAVE MY LEGS, and then frankly my dears I don't give a damm.

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The priest could usually see them before they walked in. Also, who was the source of that story of the SD to Pio conversation? Once again, pious legend most likely. How about we stay away from those and focus on the theological basis of modesty. Even saints can be wrong. (e.g.-Thomas Aquinas)

If the church is consistently teaching somthing, you cant reject it, when you do not have any doctrin that says the contrary.

 

 

'We recall that a dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat, which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows, and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knee. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper. Let parents keep their daughters away from public gymnastic games and contests; but, if their daughters are compelled to attend such exhibitions, let them see to it that they are fully and modestly dressed. Let them never permit their daughters to don immodest garb.'

The Sacred Congregation of the Council (by the mandate of Pope Pius XI), January 12, 1930 A.D.

 

 

Moral Theology
The Church consistently teaches us that there are three degrees of decency regarding the parts of the human body. Some parts are considered honest for show in public, some less honest, and other dishonest. Some moralists used to employ a more rigorous language, qualifying these parts as not-shameful, semi-shameful and shameful. The honest or not-shameful parts are the face, hands and feet; the less honest or semi-shameful are the lower neck, back, legs and arms; the dishonest or shameless are the reproductive organs and their proximities. The criterion that establishes this classification is the degree of incentive toward the sensual passions that the mentioned parts arouse.

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The priest could usually see them before they walked in. Also, who was the source of that story of the SD to Pio conversation? Once again, pious legend most likely. How about we stay away from those and focus on the theological basis of modesty. Even saints can be wrong. (e.g.-Thomas Aquinas)

 

 

The source is Rev. Fr. Jean, O.F.M., CAP.

 

http://www.fatima.org/apostolate/newsletters/stjohn/2002/june/sjv_jun02pg1.asp

 

Saints can be wrong, but not when there intentions are divinely inspired.

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The priest could usually see them before they walked in. Also, who was the source of that story of the SD to Pio conversation? Once again, pious legend most likely. How about we stay away from those and focus on the theological basis of modesty. Even saints can be wrong. (e.g.-Thomas Aquinas)

 

Actually the reason why they had confessionals was so the priest could not see the people.

 

How are you so sure that it was divinely inspired?

 

One day Padre Pio's spiritual director reproached him for his harsh conduct. He replied: "I could obey you, but each time it is Jesus who tells me how I am to deal with people."

He also said "I beg you not to criticize me by invoking charity, because the greatest charity is to deliver souls held fast by Satan in order to win them over to Christ."

 

SOURCE:Rev. Fr. Jean, O.F.M., CAP. http://www.fatima.or...jv_jun02pg1.asp

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Lil Red

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Oy vey.

Have I said yet how stupid I think this debate is? And how much I wish men would spend more time calling out fellow men for their misogyny than to tell women they are immodest Trollops

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Basilisa Marie

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Lol but Red, misogyny is only when people actually hate women.  People who call us immodest trollops are doing it out of charity! :|  

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:saint2:  :saint2:  :saint2: Propless, but the last three posts earn a HOME RUN in my opinion!  Thank you Red, ARFink and Basilisa! :saint2:  :saint2:  :saint2:

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EmilyAnn

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BTW... is my Egret immodest?  She is showing her mating plumage and coloration.  Oh my!

Very, very immodest! Tsk tsk! :P

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Lil Red

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Lol but Red, misogyny is only when people actually hate women.  People who call us immodest trollops are doing it out of charity! :|

 

oh. i missed that then. 

 

also: yes, my phone capitalizes Trollops. That says something about me, I'm just not sure what. 

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