Pope Francis Washed The Feet Of 12 Young Detainees

[Nihil Obstat]

Jesus is the one who established the Pedilavium, so it is not a mere "human custom," and the liturgy is meant to commemorate His institution of that rite. To alter the rite involves destroying the logic of the ceremony (i.e., of the divinely instituted signs), while also causing confusion, both among Catholics and non-Catholics.

In this particular case I agree. But as you must recall this discussion has happened several times in the last month, and what I said above is the impression I have based on all of those discussions aggregated. :)

I do not say that intending to pick a fight with you. I have been thinking for a while now trying to become clearer on where I stand on these things.

[mortify]

The Holy Father altered tradition? Im so surprised :|

[Lilllabettt]

Remember the Pope who "kissed" the Koran? The horrors! The humanity!!!  He is now beatified. The Church survived and even thrived ( e.g., the famous generation of priests he inspired.)

So nobody break your cyanide pill just yet.

 

It does give me a few heart pangs though ... sometimes I wonder if men of God think of the little faithful when they say and do these kinds of things. Of course the littlest people probably do not know what viri means or the finer points of liturgical rubric. But I personally know young, orthodox, faithful priests who work their fingers to the bone in service to the poor. And they have argued valiantly for an obedient observance of this rite in their parishes. Now they are hung out to dry.  The Pope would probably tell them to suck it up, they can bear the ridicule for the sake of reaching out to the unchurched, the despairing, the poor. He would be right! But ahhhhhh.  Haven't we suffered enough? The answer for Christians must always be no.  On this side anyway. But nevertheless I feel terribly for them.

[Nihil Obstat]

Remember the Pope who "kissed" the Koran? The horrors! The humanity!!!  He is now beatified. The Church survived and even thrived ( e.g., the famous generation of priests he inspired.)

That does not mean we have to agree with, or even like the fact that he did that.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Today at Mass, my parish priest and assisting priest, and the diocesan vocation director washed the feet of men and women.

 

Was that wrong?

[Nihil Obstat]

Today at Mass, my parish priest and assisting priest, and the diocesan vocation director washed the feet of men and women.

 

Was that wrong?

According to the current Code of Canon Law, it is limited to adult men, but at the parish level I believe it depends on whether or not the priest has the permission of the bishop who in turn needs permission from Rome to include women. Check that link to Dr. Ed Peters above; he knows how to explain it.

The jury is out as to whether or not this is the best state of affairs. :hehe:

[Nihil Obstat]

That does not mean we have to agree with, or even like the fact that he did that.

This post probably makes more sense if it reads instead as: "That does not mean we have to like, or even agree with the fact that he did that."

In my defense, I was drinking when I wrote that post. No regrets.

[add]

That does not mean we have to agree with, or even like the fact that he did that.

 

wrong

[KnightofChrist]

wrong

We have to like the fact that JPIi kissed the Quran?

[Papist]

I always thought it was the Koran that kissed the Pope. 

[add]

We have to like the fact that JPIi kissed the Quran?

Absolutely Edited March 29, 2013 by add

[mortify]

@Lillabet

JP2 did cause scandal by kissing the Quran, which is performed by Muslims as a sign of veneration. Last I heard we should not revere books that reject the Divinity of our Lord and state that Christians ought to live subjugated under the dominion of Islam. JP2 also made the strange comment that John the Baptist protect Islam. But yes, he's beatified but that doesn't mean he was incapable of sin or error.

[Fidei Defensor]

Did Jesus specify that priests have to wear an amice, alb, cincture, maniple, stole and chasuble to celebrate the liturgy? Can the Roman Pontiff change that tradition?

[KnightofChrist]

Absolutely

 

Falsehood.

[Lil Red]

from Elizabeth Scalia (aka the Anchoress) on facebook:

 

 

Many people may be surprised to learn that in 2007, Pope Benedict XVI visited the inmates at the same detention center Pope Francis visited today, and shared Mass with the kids, although it was not on a Holy Thursday. 

I mention this because of the weird remarks I am seeing from people who would like to pretend that until now the church and its popes have been negligent of the poor and the marginalized. These are sentiments that can only come from a place of ignorance or willful malice. 

Speaking of papal humility, while I am certainly admiring of and challenged by the examples of Pope Francis, it's worth mentioning that Benedict seems content to be maligned, misunderstood or even cast aside for the sake of Christ and his church, and the workings of the Holy Spirit. That's a pretty admirable sort of humility, too, every bit as self-abnegating and Christlike as the willingness to live simply and wash the feet of others. Worth pondering all of our examples of papal humility, this Triduum, don't you think?