Some Of You Know This Already, But I Need To Make It Official.

[mortify]

Your two cents are currently useless.

 

Usefulness is not defined by the sciences. If everyone studied the sciences, then we'd have an oversaturation of people with that knowledge and then people would be arguing the opposite direction you currently are.

 

Do you see the logic? It's there. 

 

Everything is useful, and degrading half of the equation of civilization as a mere hobby is ignorant and shows a lack of historical understanding that most scientists I know don't have.

 

I don't know where the stick in  your butt came from, but you need to pull it out before you piss off more humanities majors on this phorum. 

 

I appreciate your opinion Georgii but I disagree with you. I will always recommend what is more practical based on my personal experience. I know *numerous* people who pursued a major in liberal arts and have regretted it, mostly because they can't find a job in their field of study or because they are severely underpaid. This is not the case for everyone of course, a few do become very successful, but as I said I always side with what is more practical. I'm sorry if this offends you or anyone else, sounds like you are taking this as a personal attack?

[the171]

Let us ride off into the sunset with our useless degrees, Lady Lina!!

 

[LinaSt.Cecilia2772]

Let us ride off into the sunset with our useless degrees, Lady Lina!!

 

 

I cannot prop this enough!!!!!
 

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

...I know *numerous* people who pursued a major in liberal arts and have regretted it, mostly because they can't find a job in their field of study or because they are severely underpaid...?

This is a problem with the view of the individual in my view. Just because you have a degree in a certain field does not mean you must/ should/ or deserve to work in a certain field. Just because you have a degree does not mean you are automatically worth more than your neighbor who does not. If a minimum wage job is all you can find right now clearing the parking lot at Wal-mart that is the job you take for now. A strong work ethic, building relationships, and working for improving will take someone far.

[mortify]

You wouldn't be studying their works if they had not chosen a "useless degree."

 

Dude, you want to spend $30K a year aiming for a degree in "Church History", go for it! Just don't complain when you go on indeed.com and discover there are no job openings for a Church Historian. Then you'll have to work at the local Star Bucks to pay of your Fannie Mae and Freddie mac loans. Unfortunately your interest rate is at 11% and you realize you'll be still borrowing money from your parents to pay off your minimum of $2,000 per month. But hey, at least you feel like a whole person with your humanities degree!

[the171]

Dude, you want to spend $30K a year aiming for a degree in "Church History", go for it! Just don't complain when you go on indeed.com and discover there are no job openings for a Church Historian. Then you'll have to work at the local Star Bucks to pay of your Fannie Mae and Freddie mac loans. Unfortunately your interest rate is at 11% and you realize you'll be still borrowing money from your parents to pay off your minimum of $2,000 per month. But hey, at least you feel like a whole person with your humanities degree!

 

Actually, I am not going to be a Church Historian. A teacher (or youth minister, but dear lord I hope not. I hate emotions.) But my career goal is not the point. The point is that you cannot call one degree or field lesser than another because of "practicality."

[GeorgiiMichael]

I appreciate your opinion Georgii but I disagree with you. I will always recommend what is more practical based on my personal experience. I know *numerous* people who pursued a major in liberal arts and have regretted it, mostly because they can't find a job in their field of study or because they are severely underpaid. This is not the case for everyone of course, a few do become very successful, but as I said I always side with what is more practical. I'm sorry if this offends you or anyone else, sounds like you are taking this as a personal attack?

 

You said that the humanities should be relegated to nothing but hobbies and that humanities degrees are useless. Since I have just spent 4.5 years earning just such a degree, and I desire, regardless of pay, to work at spreading knowledge and understanding of the humanities, yes, I take it as a personal attack.

 

I'm not expressing an opinion, I'm expressing a fact based on the evidence of the society around you, that has been fostered by the Catholic Church. Your "opinion" is based on the assumption that money is somehow the ontological end of humans. You look back at history and what do you see? Do you only see scientists being lauded? No, you see philosophers and artists and politicians and theologians. A couple people regretting getting a degree because they're not getting paid as much as they want? Does that really supersede the great minds of Joseph Ratzinger, Karol Wojtyla, Jacques Maritain, G.K. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, and Hans Urs von Balthasar? And that's just from the last century, just notable Catholics (plus Lewis) and is by no means exhaustive of the great minds that fit into those parameters.

 

Success is not about money or debt. And if that's your definition, you should probably re-read your Bible a bit closer.

[LinaSt.Cecilia2772]

Yo Mortify, You're killing the excitement of a college choice here.

 

First off, I'm going to college. At a really good one too. With a pretty big scholarship and a crapload of research under my belt. I think I can take on the challenge.

 

Secondly, Don't worry about my degree choice, or anyone else's for that matter. Because ultimately that's mine and their choice to decide, not yours.

 

And my last point, is that you made your decision with what degree you chose and your reasons behind it, and I respect that. Respect my choice and my reasoning too.

 

 

Rant Over.

 

 

 

[mortify]

You said that the humanities should be relegated to nothing but hobbies and that humanities degrees are useless. Since I have just spent 4.5 years earning just such a degree, and I desire, regardless of pay, to work at spreading knowledge and understanding of the humanities, yes, I take it as a personal attack.

 

I'm not expressing an opinion, I'm expressing a fact based on the evidence of the society around you, that has been fostered by the Catholic Church. Your "opinion" is based on the assumption that money is somehow the ontological end of humans. You look back at history and what do you see? Do you only see scientists being lauded? No, you see philosophers and artists and politicians and theologians. A couple people regretting getting a degree because they're not getting paid as much as they want? Does that really supersede the great minds of Joseph Ratzinger, Karol Wojtyla, Jacques Maritain, G.K. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, and Hans Urs von Balthasar? And that's just from the last century, just notable Catholics (plus Lewis) and is by no means exhaustive of the great minds that fit into those parameters.

 

Success is not about money or debt. And if that's your definition, you should probably re-read your Bible a bit closer.

 

Yea, you're taking this real personal.

 

Georgii, I don't know your personal situation but suffice to say I would not be able to pursue your career path. I'm an immigrant and my family depends on me financially. I can't afford to enjoy a nice humanities' degree, put myself under a giant debt, and then not be able to help support my family. All I can hope for is to be an amateur philosopher and theologian that does something very practical and lucrative. So that's my situation in a nutshell, I simply can not entertain the idea of what you are doing because it would mean the destruction of myself and those who depend on me. If someone is coming from a stable family situation and they are relatively independent, I suppose taking a less practical but more fulfilling career is not a bad thing, but it will make life more difficult. Financial concerns is not something I wish to have, call that greed if you will, but I prefer to be in a situation where my family have less concerns and have more choices.

 

To each his own, I offered my opinion, you all are welcome to yours