Phatmassers, Really Need Your Advice!

[StMichael]

The sole reason for this thread was not to debate whether grave sins should be promoted, accepted, etc.

 

Its primary purpose was to inquire as what to do regarding a shepherd who might or might not be adhering to Church Doctrine.

 

This has been a very painful time dealing with this and thankfully the Archdiocese was quick to respond to me.

 

 

Apparent? Did you read my posts?  :hehe2:

 

But anyway, to clarify, I do not support or condone the homosexual act in any sense and I did not feel that I was hijacking your thread. I apologize if my comments have upset you and I promise that my intentions were simply to participate in the forum topic.

 

Edited March 25, 2013 by StMichael

[CrossCuT]

The sole reason for this thread was not to debate whether grave sins should be promoted, accepted, etc.

 

Its primary purpose was to inquire as what to do regarding a shepherd who might or might not be adhering to Church Doctrine.

 

This has been a very painful time dealing with this and thankfully the Archdiocese was quick to respond to me.

 

Who is promoting it??

[CatholicCid]

Who is promoting it??

 

I think it is a linguistic issue. The use of "homosexual" in the phorums would, I believe, be taken to mean not only someone struggling with same-sex attraction (SSA), but someone who has identified, embraced, and supports such a lifestyle. Therefore, homosexual = a person actively living out this life style contrary to the understanding of the Church.

 

The phorum would instead use the phrase "person struggling with SSA." This indicates that the person is not actively living out of pursing a homosexual lifestyle. Instead, they are living chastely (hence, struggling) in accord with the teachings of the Church.

 

Therefore, such a statement as "A homosexual should be allowed to be a Boy Scout Leader", that is translated as "A person who is an active homosexual should be allowed to be a Boy Scout Leader." This, of course, goes against the code of the Boy Scouts to keep oneself morally straight as such a person is not only deviating from the moral path, but is willingly doing so. 

 

Now, if you asked if a person who is struggling with SSA should be allowed to be a Boy Scout Leader, there might be a livelier discussion. Though the matter of prudence can be discussed, it cannot be doubt that such a person is attempting to keep himself morally straight.

Edited March 25, 2013 by CatholicCid

[CrossCuT]

That is very well! I should be using that instead! Im sorry that I lead people to assume the worst of me :)

 

But yes, if you can just insert that for everything Ive been saying maybe that makes more sense.

Someone who is an active, proud, homosexual bent on converting us all to their ways...I would NOT want them in the positions stated in this thread. 

I hope that helps quell any fears.

Thank you for the clarification! I am not the most eloquent person haha!

 

Honestly that is the distinction I have been trying to get to this whole time! Im just terrible at explaining.

[StMichael]

You are.

 

By questioning why a homosexual cannot be a scout leader, you are therefore comfortable with a person, who has identified their sexual preference, in some cases openly, to be exposed to young men who are focused on moral character. Giving them an example that one can pick and choose what morality to follow. That this lifestyle is an option. This is promotion of a depraved lifestyle, as per the Catechism.

 

Same would be for same sex couples to compete, be exposed to a large viewing audience as equal to male/ female couples.

 

This causes confusion and is meant to provide normalization of a grave sin.

 

So we are to pray for those inflicted with this preference that they are chaste and embrace God fully. Not empower them and their sin.

 

And there would be no way to know if one was a homosexual unless they state they are, seek acceptance as such. Does that mean your straw man query to their being denied employment, access to shopping, etc. should even be replied to?

 

Our country, assuming you are in the US, has far more problems than to be distracted by such groups seeking the federal government to grant them rights that do not exist.

 

Now you, as an individual, can take up your banner, go march in some pseudo rights march to allow whatever cause you feel must be  "equal" but a person who is looked to to uphold HIS word cannot function in the opposite, at the very least publicly.

 

Who is promoting it??

 

Edited March 25, 2013 by StMichael

[CrossCuT]

I really dont think you read the comments in this thread.  :crazy:

 

I have not even uttered a single word about empowering homosexual behavior. Honestly, before you start throwing accusations around about taking up my "banner" as you call it go read the things I have actually said because you seem to have completely misunderstood me and used it as your anger fuel. 

You a VERY quick too judge my friend.

 

 

 

 

[Fidei Defensor]

I'm gay and I don't do anything different in my life from what an average straight person does. The only difference is that I am attracted to males instead of females. I'm living the "gay lifestyle."  :rolleyes:

Edited March 25, 2013 by tardis ad astra

[StMichael]

Why do I need to know this? I don't.

 

Furthermore, how exactly can you claim that you don't do anything different from the norm? You just did. How often does one go onto a message board and declare their sexual attraction as the main identifier as to who they are?

 

 

I'm gay and I don't do anything different in my life from what an average straight person does. The only difference is that I am attracted to males instead of females. I'm living the "gay lifestyle."  :rolleyes:

 

[DiscerningCatholic]

OK, my head is going to explode!

 

A priest at a local parish in Los Angeles, seems to be an advocate for many things that are against the teachings and is extremely active on a site called Change.org.

 

Using his real name he is signing petitions (over the course of years) that support boycotts of the Boy Scouts unless they allow gays, petitioning shows (Dancing With The Stars) to allow same sex couples as well as some little boy who wants to dress like a girl to be accepted at their school. Dozens of signings for same sex marriage, LGBT support, etc. Even signing petitions to protect Planned Parenthood and those seeking to stop "personhood laws."

 

What does one do with this information? How can such a person be so brazen? 

 

Is this something one should make the Diocese aware of? The Pastor? 

 

Write a letter to the bishop and find a new parish.

[homeschoolmom]

Why do I need to know this? I don't.

 

Furthermore, how exactly can you claim that you don't do anything different from the norm? You just did. How often does one go onto a message board and declare their sexual attraction as the main identifier as to who they are?

I don't think he does do that as a regular practice. It has relevancy in this thread, though, in the way he stated it.

[StMichael]

How does it have relevancy? It is either to state "I am gay and no different than anyone else (shut up you homophobic fool)" or "I am gay and acknowledge it is a struggle ( I do all can to not promote this, but seek God's help)." 

 

I gathered the former from it, which is far from relevant to this thread, unless you mean that his position is the same as the   person I cited in the opening of this thread.

 

 

 

I don't think he does do that as a regular practice. It has relevancy in this thread, though, in the way he stated it.

 

[CrossCuT]

Why do I need to know this? I don't.

 

Furthermore, how exactly can you claim that you don't do anything different from the norm? You just did. How often does one go onto a message board and declare their sexual attraction as the main identifier as to who they are?

 

I think you are starting to get a little uncharitable :( 

[GregorMendel]

If one does not believe basics of the Faith should they belong to the Faith? If one is a Priest and they very publicly reject or oppose the Faith should they serve as a Priest?

 

You are a perfect example of honesty and not being in conflict, not trying to serve two masters. That is you don't believe or majorly doubt basics of the Faith, but you are honest and do not try and to pretend to be something you are not.

 

The Priest should stop publicly supporting causes that are in direct opposition to Church teaching or he should stop serving as a priest.

 

I think it is a huge overstatement that supporting equal rights for homosexuals equates to a lack of belief in the basics of the Faith. That is, of course, you feel that the subjugation and dismissal of homosexuals is a fundamental tenet of the Faith.

 

Why do I need to know this? I don't.

 

Furthermore, how exactly can you claim that you don't do anything different from the norm? You just did. How often does one go onto a message board and declare their sexual attraction as the main identifier as to who they are?

 

 

If you're bold enough to dismiss the rights of another, you should absolutely be aware of exactly who and what you are dismissing. Otherwise, it is ignorance and not observance that you employ.

[KnightofChrist]

I think it is a huge overstatement that supporting equal rights for homosexuals equates to a lack of belief in the basics of the Faith. That is, of course, you feel that the subjugation and dismissal of homosexuals is a fundamental tenet of the Faith.

That marriage is only a union between a man and a women is a basic fundamental of the Faith. That human life starts and conception and must be protected is a basic fundamental of the Faith. Public rejection of these basics is either an act of rebellion and/or a lack of Faith.

[Papist]

That marriage is only a union between a man and a women is a basic fundamental of the Faith. That human life starts and conception and must be protected is a basic fundamental of the Faith. Public rejection of these basics is either an act of rebellion and/or a lack of Faith.

And needs to be corrected, which is the OP point. 

 

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