Phatmassers, Really Need Your Advice!

[Apotheoun]

Ultimately, I agree with you. Serving two masters is not wise.  But beyond alerting the priest's superiors, the rest is left to them and to God.

"props"

[KnightofChrist]

Ultimately, I agree with you. Serving two masters is not wise. But beyond alerting the priest's superiors, the rest is left to them and to God.

Well then we are in agreement, yay!

[Fidei Defensor]

Well then we are in agreement, yay!

woot!

[Slappo]

While the Catholic church is opposed to homosexual marriage, I dont think we should lose sight of the fact that homosexuals are STILL people who deserve love and respect. I do not know how any of the things you are upset about the bishop supporting are in any way bad other than the fact the public display may lead people to think he also suppose homosexual marriage.

But even if that IS the case, I still do not see some immoral issues with homosexuals in Boy Scouts or being on TV for dancing with the stars.

 

 

Well... if it is a practicing gay (they don't question you "are you a homosexual?" on the registration form), then I can see all sorts of concerns in that I don't really want someone who is openly and actively attracted to other boys taking showers with my son or sleeping in the same tent as him.

 

It would be the same concern I would have if a group outing included both boys and girls - I wouldn't want co-ed showers or girls and boys sleeping in the same tent.

[dUSt]

The new Archbishop of L.A. is Jose Gomez. Let him know. He don't play.

[dUSt]

 I still do not see some immoral issues with homosexuals in Boy Scouts or being on TV for dancing with the stars.

I believe it is immoral for active homosexuals to be in the Boy Scouts. That would be a position of teaching and leadership. Condoning homosexual behavior in one's private life is a sin that affects themselves, but when one condone's homosexual behavior in their public life--especially to children--that is sinning against others, and is definitely immoral. Even more immoral ihmo because you are putting other people's souls in danger, and not just your own.

[Winchester]

It's perfectly legitimate to not admit people to your private club for whatever reason.

[Socrates]

While the Catholic church is opposed to homosexual marriage, I dont think we should lose sight of the fact that homosexuals are STILL people who deserve love and respect. I do not know how any of the things you are upset about the bishop supporting are in any way bad other than the fact the public display may lead people to think he also suppose homosexual marriage.

But even if that IS the case, I still do not see some immoral issues with homosexuals in Boy Scouts or being on TV for dancing with the stars.

 

One of the parts of the Boy Scout oath is to keep oneself "morally straight."  Cultivating morality in boys has always been one of the stated goals of the Scouts, and for this reason, practicing homosexuals have been banned from being scoutmasters, as scoutmasters are supposed to be models of male morality to the boys.  There is no reason Catholics should oppose such standards of morality in private organizations.

 

And, while I think "Dancing with the Stars" is itself pretty gay, having homosexual couples dancing on the air would be yet another example of promoting public acceptance of an immoral lifestyle as a positive, normal thing.  You can argue that this particular issue is pretty trivial, given the already widespread promotion of homosexuality and other sexual immorality in our culture, but Catholics (especially Catholic clergy) should oppose the widespread immorality in our culture, not actively support it.

 

Please read the relevant Vatican document cited by Apotheoun on this thread.

 

A priest should definitely not be publicly lobbying to support acceptance of immorality of any kind.

 

If what St. Michael reports is correct, this priest is absolutely wrong to support all of the things listed, and is committing a sin of grave scandal, and acting contrary to his duties as a priest of Christ.  (Unfortunately, I have no reason to doubt him given what I've heard about the deplorable state of the Church in California - this is in Mahoney's ex-diocese after all.)

 

St. Michael, you should contact the bishop about this problem, and pray, hard.

[CrossCuT]

Well... if it is a practicing gay (they don't question you "are you a homosexual?" on the registration form), then I can see all sorts of concerns in that I don't really want someone who is openly and actively attracted to other boys taking showers with my son or sleeping in the same tent as him.

 

It would be the same concern I would have if a group outing included both boys and girls - I wouldn't want co-ed showers or girls and boys sleeping in the same tent.

 

Are you implying that no homosexual have self control? Girls and boys are put together in tons of youth camps and there isnt rampant sexual exchange happening...least not that I am aware of.

I understand your concern but I wouldnt phrase it in a way that condemns a person of a crime they havent committed yet.

I also think it is wrong to assume homosexuals have the intentions of doing immoral things to other young children, that is a terrible and sick thing to think.

I believe it is immoral for active homosexuals to be in the Boy Scouts. That would be a position of teaching and leadership. Condoning homosexual behavior in one's private life is a sin that affects themselves, but when one condone's homosexual behavior in their public life--especially to children--that is sinning against others, and is definitely immoral. Even more immoral ihmo because you are putting other people's souls in danger, and not just your own.

If I am not mistaken (please correct me if I am wrong) it is not immoral to have homosexual attractions it is only immoral to act on them. Would it be permissible to allow a homosexual who resists their desires into Boy Scouts?

 

But I understand the point. Would there be a way for a homosexual to participate in Boy Scouts if they signed something saying they wouldnt to speak of it to the others?

 

One of the parts of the Boy Scout oath is to keep oneself "morally straight."  Cultivating morality in boys has always been one of the stated goals of the Scouts, and for this reason, practicing homosexuals have been banned from being scoutmasters, as scoutmasters are supposed to be models of male morality to the boys.  There is no reason Catholics should oppose such standards of morality in private organizations.

 

And, while I think "Dancing with the Stars" is itself pretty gay, having homosexual couples dancing on the air would be yet another example of promoting public acceptance of an immoral lifestyle as a positive, normal thing.  You can argue that this particular issue is pretty trivial, given the already widespread promotion of homosexuality and other sexual immorality in our culture, but Catholics (especially Catholic clergy) should oppose the widespread immorality in our culture, not actively support it.

 

Please read the relevant Vatican document cited by Apotheoun on this thread.

 

A priest should definitely not be publicly lobbying to support acceptance of immorality of any kind.

 

If what St. Michael reports is correct, this priest is absolutely wrong to support all of the things listed, and is committing a sin of grave scandal, and acting contrary to his duties as a priest of Christ.  (Unfortunately, I have no reason to doubt him given what I've heard about the deplorable state of the Church in California - this is in Mahoney's ex-diocese after all.)

 

St. Michael, you should contact the bishop about this problem, and pray, hard.

I am 100% in agreement that the priest should NOT condone homosexual activity publicly or privately, but I do believe homosexuals deserve love and dignity like anyone else.

And I am very happy to hear about the boy scouts oath! I honestly didnt know that before and I think its awesome!!!! I will have to buy more stuff from them like their yummy popcorn!!! 

But anyways, all Im trying to say is that it is possible to have a homosexual who doesnt bring immoral doom on all around them and I think we ought to be there to support, pray for, and love them like anyone else!

 

While it is important to resist any moral downfall associated with homosexual activity I also think that we ought to love the people! Separate the act from the person. 

[StMichael]

It is apparent you are an advocate for homosexuals, but I would very much appreciate if you didn't high jack my thread, which was not started to debate what the Bible already states is a grave sin.

 

Please feel free to start another thread.

 

Thank you.

 

Are you implying that no homosexual have self control? Girls and boys are put together in tons of youth camps and there isnt rampant sexual exchange happening...least not that I am aware of.

I understand your concern but I wouldnt phrase it in a way that condemns a person of a crime they havent committed yet.

I also think it is wrong to assume homosexuals have the intentions of doing immoral things to other young children, that is a terrible and sick thing to think.

If I am not mistaken (please correct me if I am wrong) it is not immoral to have homosexual attractions it is only immoral to act on them. Would it be permissible to allow a homosexual who resists their desires into Boy Scouts?

 

But I understand the point. Would there be a way for a homosexual to participate in Boy Scouts if they signed something saying they wouldnt to speak of it to the others?

 

I am 100% in agreement that the priest should NOT condone homosexual activity publicly or privately, but I do believe homosexuals deserve love and dignity like anyone else.

And I am very happy to hear about the boy scouts oath! I honestly didnt know that before and I think its amesome!!!! I will have to buy more stuff from them like their yummy popcorn!!! 

But anyways, all Im trying to say is that it is possible to have a homosexual who doesnt bring immoral doom on all around them and I think we ought to be there to support, pray for, and love them like anyone else!

 

While it is important to resist any moral downfall associated with homosexual activity I also think that we ought to love the people! Separate the act from the person. 

 

Edited March 24, 2013 by StMichael

[Nihil Obstat]

It is apparent you are an advocate for homosexuals,

Subtlety is not really your thing, is it? :rolleyes:

[StMichael]

Nihil, what's that?

 

Have a Happy Palm Sunday.

 

 

Subtlety is not really your thing, is it? :rolleyes:

 

[Nihil Obstat]

Nihil, what's that?

 

Have a Happy Palm Sunday.

Here you go.

 

And a blessed Palm Sunday to you as well.

Edited March 24, 2013 by Nihil Obstat

[Socrates]

f I am not mistaken (please correct me if I am wrong) it is not immoral to have homosexual attractions it is only immoral to act on them. Would it be permissible to allow a homosexual who resists their desires into Boy Scouts?

 

But I understand the point. Would there be a way for a homosexual to participate in Boy Scouts if they signed something saying they wouldnt to speak of it to the others?

 

I am 100% in agreement that the priest should NOT condone homosexual activity publicly or privately, but I do believe homosexuals deserve love and dignity like anyone else.

And I am very happy to hear about the boy scouts oath! I honestly didnt know that before and I think its amesome!!!! I will have to buy more stuff from them like their yummy popcorn!!! 

But anyways, all Im trying to say is that it is possible to have a homosexual who doesnt bring immoral doom on all around them and I think we ought to be there to support, pray for, and love them like anyone else!

 

While it is important to resist any moral downfall associated with homosexual activity I also think that we ought to love the people! Separate the act from the person. 

 

I don't think giving people love and dignity was really the issue here.

 

There is no intrinsic right to be a scoutmaster or dance with a same-sex partner on DWTS that everybody is entitled to.

 

The fact that this priest is also petitioning for homosexual "marriage" and in support of PP shows that he has serious issues and is opposed to Church moral teaching.

 

As for the Boy Scouts, I don't know exactly how the process works, but I am sure the issue is with men who are publicly open homosexuals, not people with private desires that are not acted on.  The position of scoutmaster would fall under the category listed in the Church document that was cited earlier: 

"There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment."

 

That priest needs to either drop the "social left" activism, or else leave the active priestly ministry.  Let's pray his bishop straightens him out.

Edited March 24, 2013 by Socrates

[CrossCuT]

It is apparent you are an advocate for homosexuals, but I would very much appreciate if you didn't high jack my thread, which was not started to debate what the Bible already states is a grave sin.

 

Please feel free to start another thread.

 

Thank you.

 

Apparent? Did you read my posts?  :hehe2:

 

But anyway, to clarify, I do not support or condone the homosexual act in any sense and I did not feel that I was hijacking your thread. I apologize if my comments have upset you and I promise that my intentions were simply to participate in the forum topic.