James Holmes Is Now Muslim

[Tufsoles]

Yeah, It is too many 5 dollar words. I do under stand them though. But not everyone does.

[Anastasia13]

Islam is a religion.  And being Muslim is a 'race' in some areas.  Because, and you might not know this, race isn't a real, tangible thing.  It's purely a social construction and the determinations of what constitutes race and demarcative characteristics within any proposed race is relative and flexible   Labeling his comment as racist probably would be greeted with disapproval by the 19th century German anthropologists who, I guess, you give intellectual allegiance to, but for modern uses it's fine.  Bigot also works.  

 

Can you elaborate on what race means in the context of a religion, given the diversity of ethnicities with wide ranging phonotypes/genotypes and geographic origins of the people over the last millenia who fall under the grouping of Muslim? Is race in that sense more of a cultural grouping or is it perhaps a corresponding divide among a people where some are one ethnic group and Muslim and others are another ethnic group and religion? What is meant by race when Muslim is a race?

[Nihil Obstat]

Islam is a religion.  And being Muslim is a 'race' in some areas.  Because, and you might not know this, race isn't a real, tangible thing.  It's purely a social construction and the determinations of what constitutes race and demarcative characteristics within any proposed race is relative and flexible   Labeling his comment as racist probably would be greeted with disapproval by the 19th century German anthropologists who, I guess, you give intellectual allegiance to, but for modern uses it's fine.  Bigot also works.  

Does this mean I can call you racist when you diss capitalism?

[4588686]

 given the diversity of ethnicities with wide ranging phonotypes/genotypes and geographic origins of the people over the last millenia who fall under the grouping of Muslim?

 

This statement applies to all the racial groupings in the US.  Africa is a pretty big, diverse place.  If you come from sub-Sahara Africa, however, you're just black.  Same for white people.  There isn't any real reason why a Briton and a Russian should be considered members of the same race.  In fact, very recently slavs weren't considered white.  Nor were Jews.  Most of my family would not have been considered white about a century ago.  

 

Is race in that sense more of a cultural grouping or is it perhaps a corresponding divide among a people where some are one ethnic group and Muslim and others are another ethnic group and religion? What is meant by race when Muslim is a race?

 

Sure.  In the Balkans today 'Muslim' is an ethnic designation.  The same is true for the Orthodox.  The Yugoslav word for Orthodox is pravoslav and this is the same word used for Ethnic Serbs.  

[4588686]

Does this mean I can call you racist when you diss capitalism?

 

Yes.  I encourage it.  

[Anastasia13]

This statement applies to all the racial groupings in the US.  Africa is a pretty big, diverse place.  If you come from sub-Sahara Africa, however, you're just black.  Same for white people.  There isn't any real reason why a Briton and a Russian should be considered members of the same race.  In fact, very recently slavs weren't considered white.  Nor were Jews.  Most of my family would not have been considered white about a century ago.  

 

 

Sure.  In the Balkans today 'Muslim' is an ethnic designation.  The same is true for the Orthodox.  The Yugoslav word for Orthodox is pravoslav and this is the same word used for Ethnic Serbs.  

 

What do you call a Muslim Serb?

 

Was this a social distinction for Slavs or was there a legal distinction made at some point? I know there were cases for say Lebanese, Arabs, Armenians, etc.
 

[Nihil Obstat]

Yes.  I encourage it.  

I will strive to live up to your expectations.

[Ice_nine]

 Ø§Ù†Øª زعلان اخ؟

 

 

[4588686]

What do you call a Muslim Serb?

 

Was this a social distinction for Slavs or was there a legal distinction made at some point? I know there were cases for say Lebanese, Arabs, Armenians, etc.
 

 

 

That used to be possible.  My favorite author considered himself such.  Groupings change with times.  I could be wrong but I believe that Orthodox Christians in the Balkans were once described as Greeks.  I know that even Muslims of Slavic origin used to be considered Turks.  In fact, during the genocide Serbian forces commonly referred to Slavic Muslims in the Balkans as 'Turks.'

[Anastasia13]

That used to be possible.  My favorite author considered himself such.  Groupings change with times.  I could be wrong but I believe that Orthodox Christians in the Balkans were once described as Greeks.  I know that even Muslims of Slavic origin used to be considered Turks.  In fact, during the genocide Serbian forces commonly referred to Slavic Muslims in the Balkans as 'Turks.'

 

The "Turks" part was probably related to the Turkish control and influence in the Balkans during Ottoman times and some measure of cultural assimilation and the greater liberty offered to Muslims then (only then?) by the Turkish govt.

[4588686]

The "Turks" part was probably related to the Turkish control and influence in the Balkans during Ottoman times and some measure of cultural assimilation and the greater liberty offered to Muslims then (only then?) by the Turkish govt.

Sure.  Somewhat.  And to the notion that to be slav is to be Christian.  The same propaganda identified Slavic Muslims as 'backwards Christians' which made them race traitors.  Hence why Serbian propaganda songs refered to the Serbs as the 'white' race despite the fact that by normal western standards of race Bosnian Muslims and Serbs should be the same race.  They have the same culture, excluding religion, and the same language and have lived in the same area for thousands of years.  

[mortify]

This has got to be either fake or some sort of CIA plot

[Winchester]

Maybe it's a fake CIA plot.

[StMichael]

a muslim is an adherent to islam.

 

 

Islam is a religion.  And being Muslim is a 'race' in some areas.  Because, and you might not know this, race isn't a real, tangible thing.  It's purely a social construction and the determinations of what constitutes race and demarcative characteristics within any proposed race is relative and flexible   Labeling his comment as racist probably would be greeted with disapproval by the 19th century German anthropologists who, I guess, you give intellectual allegiance to, but for modern uses it's fine.  Bigot also works.  

 

[4588686]

a muslim is an adherent to islam.

As ever, thank you for that illuminating thought.