Vaccinate And Why They Are Bad

[beatitude]

We do have better water. This is an objective fact. When was the last time anyone in your country came down with cholera or another water-borne disease? If you live in a developed country, you are not going to contract cholera by drinking tap water. There are big cholera problems in Haiti and Zimbabwe now, where people would laugh at the idea of residents in first-world countries having anything like bad water. This is exactly the sort of thing I meant when I wrote that people have become complacent about health and disease - it leads to skewed perceptions of what's really dangerous. It's too dangerous to drink from the tap, but it's safest not to inoculate against killer diseases? This makes no sense.

[Archaeology cat]

There may be things in the water I'd rather weren't there (eg: hormones and fluoride), but it's definitely cleaner. I'm very thankful for that.

[elizabeth09]

Yea, even well water has some chemicals.

[TheLordsSouljah]

Haven't really read much of the thread, but totally don't believe in vaccinations. Many have actually never been proven to work. People have also been known to get things like short and long-sightedness because of vaccinations, and it is not uncommon. Will never get anyone I love vaccinated. Best thing for it is a strong immune system. Just my thoughts!! Pax :)

[Papist]

I have not read this thread. So forgive me if this was touched on.  I have always wondered how do the drug companies test vaccines. What is the criteria for a successful test, which allows them to put the vax on the market? Who defines this criteria?  

[CrossCuT]

Haven't really read much of the thread, but totally don't believe in vaccinations. Many have actually never been proven to work. People have also been known to get things like short and long-sightedness because of vaccinations, and it is not uncommon. Will never get anyone I love vaccinated. Best thing for it is a strong immune system. Just my thoughts!! Pax :)

 

I dont even know what to say anymore.  :sos:

[Basilisa Marie]

I have not read this thread. So forgive me if this was touched on.  I have always wondered how do the drug companies test vaccines. What is the criteria for a successful test, which allows them to put the vax on the market? Who defines this criteria?  

 

 

From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/resdev/test-approve.htm

 

Vaccines are tested more than pretty much any other drug on the market. 

[Basilisa Marie]

Honestly, I think it's pretty selfish and ignorant to refuse all vaccinations, especially for your kids.  You're able to make your special decision against vaccines because everyone else is getting them.  You don't have to worry about your kid coming down with measles or mumps because everyone else got their MMR.  Vaccines are the things that literally build up immunity to diseases.  They put a dead sample of the disease in your body so that your own immune system can learn what the disease looks like and get practice fighting it off. Then if you get the disease, your body will fight it off or it'll have a head start in fighting it off, so you either won't get it or it won't be nearly as bad. You don't get that kind of specialized practice for your immune system any other way. Getting vaccines actually helps those who can't get vaccines, like kids with leukemia or other kinds of compromised immune systems. 

 

Rawr. I have a lot of feelings about vaccines. 

[CrossCuT]

People have adopted these TERRIBLE notions about vaccines because they dont understand what they are, what they do, and do NOT educate themselves on it.

Knowledge is power and I STRONGLY recommend anyone with reservations to just do a simple Google search to find GOOD sources of info (not blogs from worried mothers who only offer speculative stories).

 

Vaccines are an amazing defense against diseases that can potentially kill you. 

[sixpence]

Honestly, I think it's pretty selfish and ignorant to refuse all vaccinations, especially for your kids.  You're able to make your special decision against vaccines because everyone else is getting them.  You don't have to worry about your kid coming down with measles or mumps because everyone else got their MMR.  Vaccines are the things that literally build up immunity to diseases.  They put a dead sample of the disease in your body so that your own immune system can learn what the disease looks like and get practice fighting it off. Then if you get the disease, your body will fight it off or it'll have a head start in fighting it off, so you either won't get it or it won't be nearly as bad. You don't get that kind of specialized practice for your immune system any other way. Getting vaccines actually helps those who can't get vaccines, like kids with leukemia or other kinds of compromised immune systems. 

 

Rawr. I have a lot of feelings about vaccines. 

 

I agree with this 100%.  Unless you are going to permanently live in a bubble, it is irresponsible to increase your chances of passing some serious disease to immune-compromised individuals, unless there is some very legit reason.
 

[MissScripture]

Honestly, I think it's pretty selfish and ignorant to refuse all vaccinations, especially for your kids.  You're able to make your special decision against vaccines because everyone else is getting them.  You don't have to worry about your kid coming down with measles or mumps because everyone else got their MMR.  Vaccines are the things that literally build up immunity to diseases.  They put a dead sample of the disease in your body so that your own immune system can learn what the disease looks like and get practice fighting it off. Then if you get the disease, your body will fight it off or it'll have a head start in fighting it off, so you either won't get it or it won't be nearly as bad. You don't get that kind of specialized practice for your immune system any other way. Getting vaccines actually helps those who can't get vaccines, like kids with leukemia or other kinds of compromised immune systems. 

 

Rawr. I have a lot of feelings about vaccines. 

I can understand people who have had a reaction to a vaccine being cautious and being cautious when it comes to vaccinating their children, because allergies may be passed along genetically, but to categorically state that vaccines are bad and we should all avoid them is very, very irresponsible. That would be like me saying that garlic is bad and no one should ever have anything to do with garlic because my son is allergic, so it must be bad for everyone. 

[Papist]

I'm not anti vax, but I don't think you can argue that vaccines ate <b>solely</b> responsible for the decline in some diseases (note I didn't say all). We also know more about disease transmission and have better access to clean water and hygiene. We also have better medicines to cope with them. And while I'm not anti-vax, I do think there can be cases made for forgoing at least some. For example, full-term (ie:2+ years) breastfeeding is protective against Hib.

I do greatly object to those who refuse vaccines as being ignorant or duped. Or that they refuse all modern medicine. Of those I know who refuse some or all vaccines, absolutely none do so because of a fear of autism or Wakefield, nor do any of them refuse modern medicines. Now, I'm sure some do refuse based on those things, but certainly not all do. I refused the MMR for moral reasons, personally.

We try to space our vax shots out. I believe there are too many vaxes in one shot/visit. It is not medical science that wife and I have a problem with, it is the immunization policies dictated. It is not a one-size-fits-all.

Edited April 3, 2013 by Papist

[elizabeth09]

I like to say about it is: Its the cure before the diseases.

[EmilyAnn]

Honestly, I think it's pretty selfish and ignorant to refuse all vaccinations, especially for your kids.  You're able to make your special decision against vaccines because everyone else is getting them.  You don't have to worry about your kid coming down with measles or mumps because everyone else got their MMR.  Vaccines are the things that literally build up immunity to diseases.  They put a dead sample of the disease in your body so that your own immune system can learn what the disease looks like and get practice fighting it off. Then if you get the disease, your body will fight it off or it'll have a head start in fighting it off, so you either won't get it or it won't be nearly as bad. You don't get that kind of specialized practice for your immune system any other way. Getting vaccines actually helps those who can't get vaccines, like kids with leukemia or other kinds of compromised immune systems. 

 

Rawr. I have a lot of feelings about vaccines. 

This is pretty much my opinion. 

[EmilyAnn]

The people I know who are against vaccines have the privilege of living in first-world countries where widespread vaccination has practically eliminated these diseases. Parents in places were these diseases are widespread would give anything for that vaccination. My family comes from a community that doesn't have the luxury of medical care, the ability to protect their children from disease is something they can only dream of. These are parents who expect the death of their children (and it does happen), and vaccination is what has prevented those of us the privilege from having to go through that. 

Edited April 3, 2013 by EmilyAnn