Evangetholic Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) This would be our first experience of T-Phish, for those who have missed his/her glory. Edited March 17, 2013 by Evangetholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Stop calling God fat. Yes, He prefers to be called chubby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 As you know, I recently "came back" to the Church. However, through much contemplation and even prayer, I have not been fully convinced that there is a god. That being said, I again return to my state of unbelief and non-catholicism. My mind is very scientifically oriented — I have a degree in biology. I don't discount the idea that an ultimate force could exist, but I have not been able to conclude that the Christian God can exist. Ultimately, the issue of God's existence is not a scientific issue, but philosophical. Science can explain how things work in nature / the physical world, but can't explain why the universe and the natural laws and forces which government exist in the first place, much less can it explain the ultimate issue of being or existence itself - why there is something, rather than nothing. Philosophically, we believe that God is pure limitless unconditioned Being, dependent on nothing else for His being/existence. Any material or physical thing is by nature dependent on other things or conditions for existence, and cannot be the cause of existence itself. Also, the chances of a universe existing by pure chance having the physical laws and conditions in which rational intelligent beings such as humans can even exist are infinitesimal. Trying to appeal to nature or natural laws/causes to explain the existence of the material universe is circular logic. To me, it's a bit analogous to trying to explain the existence of an incredible, functional computer program by describing the code which governs its functions, without dealing with the issue of how the code came to be, and denying the existence of a programmer for that code. I've mentioned it on here before, but for dealing with the existence of God from the standpoint of modern physics and philosophy, I'd again strongly recommend Robert Spitzer's New Proofs for the Existence of God: Contributions of Contemporary Physics and Philosophy. You might also want to check out the works of the late priest and physicist Stanley Jaki. The truth of the Christian Faith (which is based on revelation, rather than pure reason) is a separate issue from that of God's existence, but if God exists (which I think can be known by reason), it would make sense that He would reveal Himself to humans, and I believe the Catholic Faith is the most reasonable religion. And if you're unsure of whether or not the Christian Faith is true or not, it might be worth considering Pascal's Wager. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beati Pacifici Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Listen to Sobchek . . .he is wise. Double props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Listen to Sobchek . . .he is wise. Double props. The man in the black pajamas, Dude. Now there's a worthy adversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beati Pacifici Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The man in the black pajamas, Dude. Now there's a worthy adversary. Nihilist?! (blank) me! Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, but at least it's an ethos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 There's something strange and distinctly male happening between the two of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Look at the idiots. I see their reactions. oy vey. These are the types that drive people away from the Church. Catholic scientists? rotfl No such thing. God is not science. God is Love. Seek God on your own. Just don't blindly follow Dogma and Doctrine. The Upanisads is a great book about how to know and love God in easy peasy way. Its the same message. "Trust in God". Many idiots think that Hinduism is a pagan religion and it's blasphemous (these are the ones who probably would have voted for Romney even though Mormonism is the most blasphemous religion against the Church) but Hinduism it's Heart is The Self (God) Like Love your neighbor as yourself. The SELF as in God/Christ/Spirit lives in all of us. Many people are not strong enough in faith to read other religious material even though many great missionaries went to those countries and blended in. Just don't rely on science. God rarely plays a doctor. What do you need to know a blood type for? Did they test Jesus for his cholesterol? Trust in God. Even Aquinas said it was all straw. You don't have to be a "practicing catholic" to be catholic. Many monks went off into the desert. They didn't have envelopes or participate in Mass. Let the Spirit guide you, not hypocrites who honor with their lips. Dominus vobiscum! tl;dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 at least you didn't use anime. Go in peace Bieb. Spread the Gospel and Seek the Truth. Shalom + you remind me of someone....someone named catholicinsd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 My mind is very scientifically oriented — I have a degree in biology. I don't discount the idea that an ultimate force could exist, but I have not been able to conclude that the Christian God can exist. Now will you ever, in my experience. Faith is not something we reason our way to. It is a grace from God. The question is: Do you WANT to believe? If so, ask Him to give you faith. Again. And again. And again. Until He does. Worked for me. :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 tl;dr What does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) What does this mean? Tackling LARPers; don't run. Edited March 17, 2013 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Tackling LARPers; don't run. And what does THAT mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) And what does THAT mean? [I am in the process of] tackling [your comrade] LARPers (Live Action Role Players) [and will be coming for you too, so] don't run [away before I can brutally tackle you]. Edited March 17, 2013 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Totally like; dingo rapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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