Hans Kung Fears "shadow Papacy" By Benedict

[mortify]

Yes Kung, be very very afraid

 

From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/hans-kung-pope-benedict-will-be-a-shadow-pope_n_2781248.html

 

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Hans Kung: Pope Benedict Will Be A 'Shadow Pope'

 

The theologian Hans Kung has always been very hard on Joseph Ratzinger’s papacy, and was particularly disappointed by Pope Benedict XVI’s last audience. He did not expect that the resigning Pope would decide to stay in the Vatican to wield his influence. A situation without precedent.

Two Popes in the Vatican?

Let’s be clear, I don’t have anything against Joseph Ratzinger. I wish him all the best. I have nothing against a nice life, in a place where one can rest. We are the same age. … Initially I thought that retreating in a convent to pray was a good decision. But now it seems this is not the plan. It is very dangerous to have a former pope living in the actual Vatican. Who does not live in a monastery. He will not live with monks, but with nuns who were at his service in the Vatican when he was pope. He will have the same secretary, Father George. He wants to remain in contact with cardinals and with the new pope. I was afraid of a “shadow pope” in the Vatican. Now it seems confirmed. He is certainly interested in prolonging his line, otherwise he would not have done it like this.

What could happen?

He is not exactly going on a mountaintop to pray. Rather, he will have the possibility to intervene constantly. It is a dangerous situation. I see many conflicts. I live near Lake Constance, where we had the Council of the Western Schism, with as many as three popes. It was the 15th century. The situation was obviously different then. … But if, for example, the future pope says, “it is necessary to discuss the celibacy of priests,” as the current Cardinal of Scotland has said, whoever doesn’t want this will turn to the old pope [for support].

The next thing to consider is the division of the Roman Curia and the entire Church. For instance, John XXIII could not have convened the Council with this system.

Do you foresee a kind of interference?

A secret interference, an uncontrollable one.

 

Ratzinger says, “I’m out, but I am in the center of the Vatican.” So, that’s not good. Of course, he will not have official communications, but infinite private meetings. How is it possible, for example, that Father George Gaenswein, who was the former pope’s secretary, is also prefect of the current papal household? With control over the antechamber and decisions on audiences. He will represent a continuous communication between the papal palace and the former pope.

 

This has been prepared for a long time. It is part of a clear strategy. Just think of the appointment of his secretary as archbishop (last December). The curia have defined this as "the new nepotism." Or there is the Holy Office Prefect, a friend and disciple of Ratzinger, Bishop of Regensburg. Less accepted in Germany among the bishops…

Could these appointments change?

In the conclave, they will discuss this and the right may say, “We do not want one who will change everything.”

 

"Whoever assumes the Petrine ministry no longer has any privacy,” said Benedict XVI today. “He always belongs to everyone, the whole church." As a theologian, is a "forever pope" sustainable?

 

As a theologian I can say that the Petrine ministry, introduced in the Middle Ages, is not a sacrament. One can be ordained priest, and then ordained bishop, but remains a priest forever. But the pope no. There is no ordination to be pope. There is no sacrament.

 

[Apotheoun]

Below is a picture of Benedict's new Pope Emeritus (a.k.a., Shadow Pope) vestments:

 

[Nihil Obstat]

Hans Kung is a washed-up, cranky old man who is desperately trying to become relevant again.

[Apotheoun]

Hans Kung is a washed-up, cranky old man who is desperately trying to become relevant again.

He wishes he could be "shadow" pope.

[Gabriela]

Dear Herr Kung,

 

 

evidence |ˈevədəns|

noun

the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

The Pham

Edited March 14, 2013 by curiousing

[KnightofChrist]

The Shadow knows!

[PhuturePriest]

Hans Kung should fear my shadow being around him.

[Evangetholic]

I think Hans Kung is about as Catholic as Rosie O'Donnell.

[GeorgiiMichael]

I really want someone to write a story about a Shadow Pope now. 

 

I'm thinking a post-apocalyptic world where Christians are hated and reviled. The pope must operate among the shadows in order to reach his people. Something like that.

[r2Dtoo]

I really want someone to write a story about a Shadow Pope now. 

 

I'm thinking a post-apocalyptic world where Christians are hated and reviled. The pope must operate among the shadows in order to reach his people. Something like that.

Apotheoun just PM'd me and said he's willing to donate vestments to Hollywood.  I'm on the phone with George Lucas as we speak.

Edited March 14, 2013 by r2Dtoo

[Nihil Obstat]

I really want someone to write a story about a Shadow Pope now. 

 

I'm thinking a post-apocalyptic world where Christians are hated and reviled. The pope must operate among the shadows in order to reach his people. Something like that.

In that case you want to read Lord of the World, by Robert Hugh Benson. Former Anglican priest turned Catholic priest. Interesting character.

[Guest Allie]

pathetic

[Tufsoles]

Head bangs. Really? He sounds real ornery. 

[dUSt]

Having B16 as a shadow would be dope.

[Tufsoles]

It would dope.