Protestant-proofing Our Kids

[Livin_the_MASS]

Well?

[cmotherofpirl]

We will all find out the answer to this at the General Judgement of Christ when all deeds good and bad come to light.

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='Jason' date='May 26 2004, 07:40 PM'] Ok number one this is not a bragging session. Read the lives of the saints they kept things quite. They didn't say oh look at me I healed someone.

Did you not read that I said ANY GOOD WORK comes from GOD and only GOD, "Who is good but God alone".

So if I have touched anyones life it is glory to God because it was Him, I'm just a servant.

And your thing about listening to God yes we listen to God and He speaks to us THROUGH HIS CHURCH. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

What are up too my friend? [/quote]
Oh so then it isn't right to tell someone how good you did on a math test if you get an A+ and be happy about it? And no, bragging is bragging depending on the intent of your heart. If I was bragging, I would be telling you this to diminish you and elevate myself above you. Some of you may already think I'm doing that now but that's your affair. But no, I'm telling you this so that even if you have nothing to say about it, I hope that you will begin to realize the point I'm making so he could DO something about it. Aren't we all suppose to help eachother grow in the Lord? Sure it may seem challenging, but even Jesus challenged others. He challenged the rich man to give up all he had and follow Him. So I challenge you all, what have you done for the Kingdom? What have you done to effect others' lives? And if nothing, then I invite you to ask God to change that.

Also I wanna make something clear, I am in no way, accusing the Catholic church to be biggots or holier than thou as a WHOLE. Yet, some are.

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='Jason' date='May 26 2004, 07:46 PM'] Well? [/quote]
Too eager to read your next post? I have better things to do too you know.

[quote]We will all find out the answer to this at the General Judgement of Christ when all deeds good and bad come to light. [/quote]

Exactly, that's how I look at it.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]Too eager to read your next post? I have better things to do too you know.[/quote]

[b]You just showed your fruit [/b]

[Livin_the_MASS]

All talk about living the Gospel and your on everyone else here about doing this and that, the wooden beam in the eye verse is coming to mind here!

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='Jason' date='May 26 2004, 07:59 PM']
[b]You just showed your fruit [/b] [/quote]
Yea, I got better things to do than sit here and debate all the time unlike maybe some of you are willing to do. I have other things to do like taking care of myself, FEEDING myself, it was dinner time ya know. Or assisting my brother with his homework, or being there for a friend who just had a bad day.

First off, I wanna clarify a few things.

1) The issue of the topic of this thread. I was talking to Azaelia on MSN the past few minutes. She told me this topic is mainly about how to protect your catholic children from protestant LIES about the catholic church. Yet the topic name, "Protestant-proofing Our Kids" sounded much like an anti-protestant thread. Sorta like, "Protestants bad bad bad, must protect our children from their heritic attics" attitude. And you know me, I'm against ANY bashing of whatever denomination. So in my opinion, I think this thread should have been posted in a more appropiate area than the debate forum, where you would expect a what? A debate.. I'm too tired to remember but if you have a dedicated Catholic forum you could post it there or even the Open Mic may have been a better place. And also too please clarify it too, like "Protecting your children from protestant lies" or something like that.

2) In the last thread with replies posted by Katholikos, he said something about the Catholic doctrine not teaching about 'instant salvation.' I first took that as, oh lovely, so your saying you gotta do like these rituals and be in the catholic church to be considered Saved and going to heaven? Now maybe he meant that, or maybe not. Though when I look at that, I now believe he meant that once you ask Jesus to come into your life, and confess your sins of course, then you gotta start ACTING upon your Faith. To have Jesus come into your heart then choose to live like the world, isn't a true Christian. And God wants nothing to do with lukewarm people, or people who are on the 'Christian ban wagon' so they can at least have eternal life. But if a man on his death bed knew he screwed up on his life, and was truly sorry in his heart and asked Jesus to come into Him so he can live with Christ. No doubt in my mind Jesus would say, yes. And if Katholikos meant something else than this, then I totally do not agree.

3) When I was speaking alot about children not being Saved through the catholic schools or when I was speaking of anything 'against' Catholics, some of you may have misunderstood me. My argument is to people, not the Church. To the people who believe if you aren't Catholic, then you aren't really Saved. That God won't work through people who aren't Catholic, that He won't annoint them unless they're Catholic. Or that the Holy Spirit can't give them revelation unless they're Catholic. I don't know the Vatican II inside and out, but I doubt that the catholic doctrine teaches them being the only way to truth and life. Yes, the Church has more historical data of the early church than any denomination, and I fully admit that. I look at them as the first Church and the Church that the Lord originally intended to be, the Church He chose. And yes, from rebellion came the protestants, yet as I explained it with the illistration with Ishmael and Jacob, still, God blessed Ishmael.


I'm sorry for taking a while to post this, I had to run out with my Dad to grab a piece of furniture (again, forgive my spelling) for my Mom around the corner, then come back and finish this post up.

This is my final post here, I have no hard feelings against anyone here, and I'm sorry if I may have come across on certain subjects a bit too harsh. But also remember, Jesus, nor Paul, nor even Steven talked all happy and dandy when they were upset with something. I just don't wanna sound like a robot like many Christians tend to be these days.

God bless, and have a good night.

[Ellenita]

There will be no criticism of Phatmass mums....[b]they are all wonderful[/b], raising their children strong in the faith...... the 'fruits' of this will extend far beyond what you can imagine....

They are also exceptionally generous in sharing their children with those of us who don't have them, and sharing their very precious 'free time' with everyone at Phatmass. We learn so much from their wisdom. It is a privilege and a joy to know them....

I count it a blessing to be able to pray for the Phatmass mums and their children.

And Anna is one of the best.....

[littleflower+JMJ]

rituals of the Catholic Church are not bad, especially those Jesus and his apostles instituted themselves....coming from God, not from man. (i.e. sacraments)

clearly Jesus didnt come to leave a book, but a Church and the way to Truth....

Scripture is written word but Sacred Tradition and Apostolic Succession are two very important elements that are unwritten that rely on the unbroken succession and passing down of the Church's teachings of what the early church fathers (from Jesus' time believed)....thousands years old still alive and strong today fully in the Catholic Church alone.....

one cannot miss out on those two if wanting to follow Jesus and His teachings.

without it, its like trying to call home and you can't cuz the phone line is disconnected...



pax.

+JMJ+

[Anna]

Awwwwwww Dude, Raphael....

I hope you meant you're not going to post here again [i]tonight,[/i] but will be back again tomorrow and again the next day...

Hope you say you'll be back!

Pax Christi. <><

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]like "Protecting your children from protestant lies"[/quote]

That is our duty as Catholics too pray and keep our children from error, their souls are our responsibilty! If you know the Truth are you supposed to deny it? NO!

[quote]In the last thread with replies posted by Katholikos, he said something about the Catholic doctrine not teaching about 'instant salvation.' I first took that as, oh lovely, so your saying you gotta do like these rituals and be in the catholic church to be considered Saved and going to heaven? [/quote]

#1) Likos is cool man he knows his stuff and he says it like it is, you got to remember some of these threads where started because of people who have been here awhile so he was making his points clear.

#2) Yes the Catholic Church has the "Fullness of Truth" no other church does nor can they claim it. God is One, His Church is One! Those outside the Church are considered in union as long as they are baptized properly. The union is not a perfect full union though.


[quote]To the people who believe if you aren't Catholic, then you aren't really Saved. That God won't work through people who aren't Catholic, that He won't annoint them unless they're Catholic. [/quote]

With God all things are possible, now if you know the Truth and reject then we can sing a different tune. God has touched alot of people who were not Catholic at first look at Scott Hahn! God can use anybody, I don't think anyone has said this?


[quote]I don't know the Vatican II inside and out, but I doubt that the catholic doctrine teaches them being the only way to truth and life. Yes, the Church has more historical data of the early church than any denomination, and I fully admit that. I look at them as the first Church and the Church that the Lord originally intended to be, the Church He chose. And yes, from rebellion came the protestants, yet as I explained it with the illistration with Ishmael and Jacob, still, God blessed Ishmael.[/quote]

There is only One Church with salvation the Catholic Church, if you know this and reject it, not good! God's Mercy is beyond our intellect so my job is not to condem or judge but to give witness to the Truth. So if someone outside the Catholic Church doesn't know better or is searching [b]truly[/b], again with God all thing are possible!


God Bless you, come back later!
Pax
Jason

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='Jason' date='May 26 2004, 09:26 PM'] There is only One Church with salvation the Catholic Church, if you know this and reject it, not good! God's Mercy is beyond our intellect so my job is not to condem or judge but to give witness to the Truth. So if someone outside the Catholic Church doesn't know better or is searching [b]truly[/b], again with God all thing are possible!


God Bless you, come back later!
Pax
Jason [/quote]

I'll still be posting but eventually not here though. Why be like the Pharasees and continue a debate that apparently not many seemed to be enjoying? I came to make my point, and I did, I'm not gonna force anyone to believe what I do, nor do I intend to. But I just have one question I need for clarification, and it's directed to Jason.

What did you mean by the quote there? I don't wanna misjudge anything if I don't know the true motive. But when you said that, do you mean that anyone who knows the Catholic church was the church God may have intended it to be, that if they don't begin believing or going to it, that they aren't Saved? Again, I just wanna be clear on your comment there.

[quote]That is our duty as Catholics too pray and keep our children from error, their souls are our responsibilty! If you know the Truth are you supposed to deny it? NO! [/quote]

Of course not, you gotta defend what is true. But I still believe it should have been named differently, the topic that is. That was my point, it just looked like an old protestant bashing thread. When in reality, you just wanted to discuss ways to keep your children from believing certain lies that protestants have been saying about the Catholics that aren't true, even though you know not all protestants too believe the lies.

Edited May 27, 2004 by Archangel Raphael

[Bruce S]

I want my kids to LOVE Christ.

I could care less what denomination they belong to.

I want my kids to LOVE Jesus.

Wherever they find Him ALIVE

I want my kids to know the Holy Spirit

And He isn't confined to a building.

And may God lead them to HIM, not keep them where I want them to worship.

Amen.

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='May 26 2004, 09:38 PM'] I want my kids to LOVE Christ.

I could care less what denomination they belong to.

I want my kids to LOVE Jesus.

Wherever they find Him ALIVE

I want my kids to know the Holy Spirit

And He isn't confined to a building.

And may God lead them to HIM, not keep them where I want them to worship.

Amen. [/quote]
Uber Amen to that man

[azaelia]

My work here is done. I'm out.