Morningstar Products--spirit Or Law Of Lent

[Fidei Defensor]

I feel like eating fish is a loophole since it is technically meat, as defined today.

[KnightofChrist]

I feel like eating fish is a loophole since it is technically meat, as defined today.

No, u!

[Apotheoun]

I think, as far as eating vegetable substitutes for meat is concerned, that each person should decide what works best for him, and not fret about it. Let your conscience be your guide.

[xTrishaxLynnx]

Yes, their fake chicken patties and nuggets are pretty good. Their fake burgers are ok, I like Burger King's veggie burger more though. Their fake sausages are eh, when I was living at home and left one or two on a plate on the dinner table my mom found them later and thought the dog had jumped up onto the table and took a dump on the plate.  They do look like doo doo when they dry up, and they kinda taste like cardboard when cooked. Anyway, the fake chicken patties and nuggets are the best they got.

Your Burger King has a veggie burger!? No fair! I would be ecstatic if ours would get one...

 

I think that for me it'd be as penitential as eating fish sticks. Which is to say, pretty penitential. :P

Have you tried them recently? I had eaten veggie burgers and such about 4 years ago, and they have improved in taste IMMENSELY since then. I couldn't eat them at all, they were like cardboard to me at the time. When I changed my diet, the first burger I had was a vegan burger and it was delicious; honestly, I liked it better than most hamburgers I'd ever had. It even tasted like it had bacon on it. NOM

[xTrishaxLynnx]

I feel like eating fish is a loophole since it is technically meat, as defined today.

 

I get the same feeling... and, if I'm honest, I always have sort of had that feeling. I ate it anyways in the past, which was probably not what I should have done since, looking back, it's clear my conscience was indicating that the substitution of fish for meat was not a real sacrifice for me, especially when it was only one day a week.

[KnightofChrist]

Your Burger King has a veggie burger!? No fair! I would be ecstatic if ours would get one...

Just in case you didn't know it's something you must ask for, but yeah some of them don't carry them.

[KnightofChrist]

I feel like eating fish is a loophole since it is technically meat, as defined today.

Why Fish is different...

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The Law of Abstinence  by Jimmy Akin

 

The Fridays of Lent are days of abstinence in the Latin rite of the Catholic Church, and so every Lent gives rise to questions about what the law of abstinence involves. The Code of Canon Law establishes that "those who have completed their fourteenth year of age" (i.e., those who have passed their fourteenth birthday) are obliged to abstain (CIC 1251), but the Code does not give an explanation of abstinence itself. This explanation is found instead in a 1966 apostolic constitution from Paul VI called Paenitemini (in case you’re wondering, that’s pronounced PEN-ih-TEM-ih-nee in English). Here is an English translation of the relevant norm:

   

The law of abstinence forbids the use of meat, but not of eggs, the products of milk or condiments made of animal fat [III:1].

The trouble is that this explanation–at least in its English translation–is not as clear as one would like. It does not, for example, mention the exception of fish and other seafood from the law of abstinence, and this is universally acknowledged as an exception. The reason the exception is not mentioned is that it is implicit in the original Latin of the text, which reads:

 

    Abstinentiae lex vetat carne vesei, non autem ovis, lacticiniis et quibuslibet condimentis etiam ex adipe animalium [III:1].

 

The word for "meat" in the original is carnis (here inflected in the ablative as carne), which does not correspond exactly in meaning to the English word "meat." In contemporary English, "meat" tends to mean the flesh of any animal, whether it is a mammal, a bird, a fish, or what have you. But as used here, carnis refers only to the flesh of mammals and birds. It does not include the flesh of fish (or, for that matter, of reptiles, amphibians, or insects).

 

Another possible exception to the rule may be found by comparing the norm in Paenitemini to the original regulation in the 1917 Code of Canon Law, which held:

 

    The law of abstinence prohibits meat and soups made from meat but not of eggs, milks, and also whatever condiments are derived from animal fat [CIC(1917) 1250].

 

Since the 1917 law included an exclusion of soups using meat but the 1966 norm does not, in the common opinion of canonists today appears to be that soups using meat no longer violate the law of abstinence. (A few Lents ago, I did an extensive check on this.) Notice that the rest of the sequence (meat, eggs, milk products, condiments) is entirely undisturbed, suggesting that soup was intentionally dropped.

 

Personally, I’m intrigued by the fact that amphibian flesh is not excluded. If I knew where to get frogs legs here in Southern California, I’d go out and order them. I haven’t had frogs legs since I was a boy, when I’d go frog gigging in the piney woods of East Texas with the menfolk of my family on warm summer nights.

 

Source: http://jimmyakin.com/2004/02/the_law_of_abst.html

 

[Nihil Obstat]

I had frog legs once. Was a bit disappointed, actually. Not sure if it was the way they were prepared that I did not care for, or the meat itself.

Snail, on the other hand, was excellent.

[MIKolbe]

I prefer alligator at Pappadeaux's in Dallas.

 

EXcellent martini as well. 

[HisChildForever]

Yeah but I'm a vegetarian. I normally don't eat their food on Fridays during Lent though because my mom typically makes a non-meat pasta dish for dinner.

[dUSt]

I don't see the difference whether you eat veggie patties when you normally wouldn't or when you eat fish when you normally wouldn't. 

[Fidei Defensor]

Why Fish is different...

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Yes, that explains the reason for the law. It does not, however, explain the spirit and why fish is considered different than the rest.

[Gabriela]

I prefer alligator at Pappadeaux's in Dallas.

 

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Best meat/fish/reptile/whatever I EVER HAD!!!

 

[sigh]

[Gabriela]

Yes, that explains the reason for the law. It does not, however, explain the spirit and why fish is considered different than the rest.

 

In my experience, considering fish a meat is pretty unusual and very Western. In the Jewish laws of kashrut, fish is "parve", meaning neither meat nor dairy, just like eggs, vegetables, fruits, grains, etc.

[Gabriela]

Duplicate post! 

 

Edited March 9, 2013 by curiousing