New York Times Poll Results

[Evangetholic]

Our National Paper of Record (Yes even if you are a ferenner) says we largely believe that that which the Church has forbidden is actually quite nice:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/05/us/catholics-poll-graphic.html?_r=0

Edited March 7, 2013 by Evangetholic

[Papist]

American Catholics say that their church and bishops are out of touch, but they feel far more warmly toward their local priests and nuns.

 

I say American Catholics are out of touch with the Church. Except all of us of course :)

[dUSt]

"Do you think it’s possible to disagree with the pope on issues like birth control, abortion or divorce and still be a good Catholic?"

 

83% answered possible.

 

83% of "Catholics" polled are phishy.

[add]

I say The New York Times is of touch with the Catholic's. Them surveys are Skewed

[Apotheoun]

The poll reveals the terrible state of catechesis in the Church in the United States.

[Apotheoun]

I say The New York Times is of touch with the Catholic's. Them surveys are Skewed

I think the poll is probably pretty accurate in registering the views of those who self-identify as Catholic. Of course those who self-identify as Catholic may not be active in the Church.

[Autumn Dusk]

Going to a bible study, I'd say that's about accurate.  If someone stands for the truth others just leave.  Half the time the priest is liberal anyway...the one at my church daily mourns that we "still haven't" allowed women priests

[dUSt]

When you change the poll results to show only those who attend mass every week the results improve, although, not to where they should.

 

It is also interesting to note that despite the campaign to make anything pro-life appear to be "anti-woman", more men believe that abortion should be legal than women do.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

My increasingly liberally-minded school trashpaper (newspaper), has a front page article today about the conclave, but it mostly uses that as a reason to bash the Church.  :getaclue:

 

One line of dozens that irk me, "You name almost any issue and there's going to be a divergence from what the Church ordains and the opinions of its people. The ordination of women, or the use of birth control or contraceptives, and gay marriage for example. You take any issue where there is a papal statement or a condemnation from the hierarchy of the church (wtf is up with the lower-case c all thru the article??), and then you look at the practices and political perspectives and the social perspectives of practicing Roman Catholics, and you're going to find tremendous divergence on many issues."

 

If you aren't following the Church's teachings, you're not a practicing Roman Catholic. 

 

Student newspapers are the worst.   :x

[Tufsoles]

The poll reveals the terrible state of catechesis in the Church in the United States.

 

I agree with that sadly enough. I am an unfortunate victim of that. Even with the help of my dear parents I still did not get the proper catechesis. I do blame the part of the multiple moves my family went though and each diocese is different. But there should be some sort of cohesivness and transprancy to a point with all diocese espically when it comes to catechesis. I ended up teaching myself alot of times on stuff like this. I feel like the only programs that got the best catechesis some times are the RCIA/RCIC and I sometime doubt that as well. However, I do know alot more about the catholic faith though what I have learned on my own. Without it, I think I would of been scerwed and been one of those catholics. I did use the Vatican website and Catholic Answers/ Catholic Encylopedia for help.

[Autumn Dusk]

My increasingly liberally-minded school trashpaper (newspaper), has a front page article today about the conclave, but it mostly uses that as a reason to bash the Church.  :getaclue:

 

One line of dozens that irk me, "You name almost any issue and there's going to be a divergence from what the Church ordains and the opinions of its people. The ordination of women, or the use of birth control or contraceptives, and gay marriage for example. You take any issue where there is a papal statement or a condemnation from the hierarchy of the church (what tha' fa fa fa fa fonze? is up with the lower-case c all thru the article??), and then you look at the practices and political perspectives and the social perspectives of practicing Roman Catholics, and you're going to find tremendous divergence on many issues."

 

If you aren't following the Church's teachings, you're not a practicing Roman Catholic. 

 

Student newspapers are the worst.   :x

 

But this is just an innane posting of the obvious, not some kind of liberal curve.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

It's a liberal curve when the whole article just rails on the Church and names error after error, and every few sentences bringing up the sex scandals again, just in case we forgot a few sentences back. 

 

That was one of the mild paragraphs. 

[Maggyie]

It's a liberal curve when the whole article just rails on the Church and names error after error, and every few sentences bringing up the sex scandals again, just in case we forgot a few sentences back. 

 

That was one of the mild paragraphs. 

 

Well the sex abuse scandal stuff doesn't bother me. We deserve everything we get on that score. Sure it's annoying when they bring it up over and over. But if it's brought up over and over, maybe people will get it in their heads that there truly was deep systemic corruption and failure in the heart of the church (the sacred priesthood of Jesus Christ).

I routinely fail to follow the Church's teachings on purity (being married doesn't mean the problems in that department are over), kindness (duh) and care for the environment (I usually am too lazy to recycle). That doesn't mean I'm not a practicing Catholic, it means I'm a practicing Catholic - I'm working on it.

 

Most of these people aren't actually committing the sins (having abortions or gay marriages or getting themselves ordained if they are women). Contraception, ok most of them are. But in most cases it's a matter of wrong belief not wrong action.

 

and regardless, the reason these people are lost is because the devout have let their lights be hidden. The human heart is not attracted to sourness. Nobody turns toward Calvary hoping to be scolded by the scowling, cross, and unhappy Christians one encounters everywhere. If the worldly look at the Church and don't see transforming joy, they only see rigidness and sterility, whose fault is that? Not the Lord's. And not theirs. They can only see what we put in front of them.

 

There's so much dysfunction in the Church today. The people who are confused about sex are only 50% of it. Truly this institution must be of divine origin to have survived her members.

[Gabriela]

"Even observant Catholics are not following the bishops’ lead on issues that the Church has recently been fighting – artificial birth control and gay marriage."

 

Uh... says who?

[Gabriela]

Most of these people aren't actually committing the sins (having abortions or gay marriages or getting themselves ordained if they are women). Contraception, ok most of them are. But in most cases it's a matter of wrong belief not wrong action.

 

How do you know this? Do you work for the NYT or CBS?