KnightofChrist Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9913615/Barack-Obama-has-authority-to-use-drone-strikes-to-kill-Americans-on-US-soil.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I guess you didn't actually read the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 First, start restricting guns. Second, claim the right to drone your own citizens. The pattern I see developing is not reassuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 First, start restricting guns. Second, claim the right to drone your own citizens. The pattern I see developing is not reassuring. Guns are already restricted. That didn't begin with the Obama administration. Now have any restrictions on guns been enacted by Obama. Secondly, the Obama administration not definitively claim a right to 'drone' American citizens on American soil. I'm guessing that you also haven't actually read the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As someone who is somewhat removed from American politics: Are memos confidential, or are they available to be read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Guns are already restricted. That didn't begin with the Obama administration. Now have any restrictions on guns been enacted by Obama. Secondly, the Obama administration not definitively claim a right to 'drone' American citizens on American soil. I'm guessing that you also haven't actually read the memo. Not everyone blindly trusts the Government to keep it's memo promises as much as you do comrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Not everyone blindly trusts the Government to keep it's memo promises as much as you do comrade. I don't trust the government. Particularly on matters related to anti-terrorism matters. You should know this as we had plenty of debates where I have attacked government national security policy while you desperately defended the worst excesses of the Bush Administration. Unlike you, my distrust of national security procedures doesn't only work when a white guy with an 'R' next to his name on the tv screen isn't in office. I've criticized the Obama administration drone policy, their classification of legal memos, and supported the filibuster of John Brennan. The intellectual vacuity of your objections can been seen in the inconsistencies in your two posts on this matter on this thread. You first claimed that the administration claimed a right and in the very next post (the one I am quoting) claimed that the memo makes promises to the contrary but that I am foolish for believing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 As someone who is somewhat removed from American politics: Are memos confidential, or are they available to be read? This memo was not confidential. Many legal memos are keep classified, however. While I can understand the rational for some policy memos I don't think there is any justification for keeping legal briefs on the constitutionality of a policy classified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) I don't trust the government. Particularly on matters related to anti-terrorism matters. You should know this as we had plenty of debates where I have attacked government national security policy while you desperately defended the worst excesses of the Bush Administration. Unlike you, my distrust of national security procedures doesn't only work when a white guy with an 'R' next to his name on the tv screen isn't in office. I've criticized the Obama administration drone policy, their classification of legal memos, and supported the filibuster of John Brennan. The intellectual vacuity of your objections can been seen in the inconsistencies in your two posts on this matter on this thread. You first claimed that the administration claimed a right and in the very next post (the one I am quoting) claimed that the memo makes promises to the contrary but that I am foolish for believing them. I am not a Republican, I don't give a flying frak about the Republican party and I now believe Bush was a very bad president, I have told you this before. Still Obama is Bush on steroids and the memo doesn't mean jack to me. The memo is not trustworthy, it can just be replaced by another, and it's purpose is to make it easier for citizens to accept that the Government now claims the right to murder US citizens on US soil. There is absolutely no guarantee that the kill list will not be extended to lesser threats should the Government decree it. At least Bush went to Congress to pass his anti freedom unconstitutional patriot act, which was later greatly extended and expanded to charge American citizens who didn't actually commit terrorism with terrorist acts. Obama hasn't even bothered with going threw Congress, he just claims the authority with a memo. Which could be more easily expanded than the cursed patriot act. Edited March 7, 2013 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 This memo was not confidential. Many legal memos are keep classified, however. While I can understand the rational for some policy memos I don't think there is any justification for keeping legal briefs on the constitutionality of a policy classified. Where can I read this memo for myself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Where can I read this memo for myself? http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BrennanHolderResponse.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Basically, if you are deemed a threat, you can be executed at range. Not killed in an attempt at apprehension. Not stopped in the midst of an attack. Blown up, by a missile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Eric Holder claimed a possibility that we could conceivably need to bomb US citizens on US soil without due process using drones. Are we talking about people actively involved in an act of terrorism, a person plotting terrorism, or what? I think that this very notion opens up a can of worms that shouldn't be addressed right now. This is very different than most other situations because we are talking about such an indirect action. We don't allow atom bombs on US soil (forgetting international law for a minute) because of their indirect nature. It's not the same as shooting a person or a targeted killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I am not a Republican, I don't give a flying frak about the Republican party and I now believe Bush was a very bad president, I have told you this before. And I wouldn't have brought it up except for your decision to paint me as the one with a record of blindly trusting the government on national security matters. Still Obama is Bush on steroids and the memo doesn't mean jack to me. How? Specifically? The memo is not trustworthy, it can just be replaced by another, and it's purpose is to make it easier for citizens to accept that the Government now claims the right to murder US citizens on US soil. The memo doesn't carry any legal authority. It's a position paper. There is absolutely no guarantee that the kill list will not be extended to lesser threats should the Government decree it. That is a legitimate concern. The memo doesn't really have anything to do with that, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Here is the actual memo if anybody would like to bother to read it: http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BrennanHolderResponse.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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