Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Interested to hear what you guys think. "The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes; she is tolerant in practice because she loves. The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe; they are intolerant in practice because they do not love." I heard it sourced to a certain [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Garrigou-Lagrange"]Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange[/url], considered by some to be the best 20th century Thomistic theologian/philosopher. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Garrigou1.jpeg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Sorry about the double post. Had a driver error with the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) The church was intolerant because it had to hold on to its power. Now that that church has no power, it is quite tolerant (now it wants to hold on to its prestige). Edited March 5, 2013 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'd draw a distinction between being uncompromising and being intolerant. When you're uncompromising, as the early Christians were, you give yourself up to be burned at the stake. When you're intolerant, you're the one doing the burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'd draw a distinction between being uncompromising and being intolerant. When you're uncompromising, as the early Christians were, you give yourself up to be burned at the stake. When you're intolerant, you're the one doing the burning. You know as well as I do that when we talk about the Church we make a distinction between the Church as a divine reality, and the people who make it up. I know you do not believe that anymore, but your criticisms only apply to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 You know as well as I do that when we talk about the Church we make a distinction between the Church as a divine reality, and the people who make it up. I know you do not believe that anymore, but your criticisms only apply to people. I'm not sure then who is being referred to as "intolerant in practice"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangetholic Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 This quote is true. I also think the Inquisition was quite a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Oh, excuse me, I read the quote wrong, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Anyway, I still think the quote takes a rose-colored view of things, though when I read it I thought it said "intolerant" on both sides of the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Anyway, I still think the quote takes a rose-colored view of things, though when I read it I thought it said "intolerant" on both sides of the statement. :idontknow: I could say that your statements are unrealistically cynical, and all we would have are a pair of disagreeing opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) :idontknow: I could say that your statements are unrealistically cynical, and all we would have are a pair of disagreeing opinions. Well of course, but I didn't ask what you think of my opinion, you asked what we think of Garrigou-Lagrange's. :P Edited March 5, 2013 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) I should have said that I want other Catholics' opinions of it. ;) Nah, seriously though. I do respect your opinions. I just feel that I have almost no common ground with you. We have radically different perspectives on nearly everything. Edited March 5, 2013 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Probably not as different as you think. I'm actually quite conventional in my day to day spiritual life. I just have a hard time keeping my mouth shut when a topic comes up that angers me, as matters of a historical and social nature tend to. I get angry because I do care about the church...if I didn't care I would just stop thinking about it. I've been thinking about restricting my Phatmass comments to things of a spiritual nature...I started a thread on Tantum Ergo today, I'm trying! Edited March 5, 2013 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Probably not as different as you think. I'm actually quite conventional in my day to day spiritual life. I just have a hard time keeping my mouth shut when a topic comes up that angers me, as matters of a historical and social nature tend to. I get angry because I do care about the church...if I didn't care I would just stop thinking about it. I've been thinking about restricting my Phatmass comments to things of a spiritual nature...I started a thread on Tantum Ergo today, I'm trying! Are you considering yourself Catholic right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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